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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:50 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Things are rarely as good as they seem, things are never as bad as they seem.

Some of the same supporters who talked us up all summer are now slashing their wrists.

The reality is that we lost two of our best players from last year (Gibbs & Docherty) and didn’t replace them with any ‘ready made’ stars. The club is still in rebuild mode. Yes we should expect better performances than today, but we will have those days sometimes as we get games into our youngsters and tune the offensive/defensive balance of our game style.

We lost by about the same margin to the same opponent this time last year. We have played about 3 good quarters out of 8 so far in 2018. It’s not good enough and we should expect more. But let’s not panic. Keep perspective.

A few of you need to not get so high when we win or so low when we lose. It’s bad for your health...


take emotion out of supporters and a club has nothing


Nothing wrong with having emotion/passion, but fickle and unrealistic supporters do not help the club.


We haven’t improved our best 22 with Gibbs, Kreuzer and Docherty out. Three massive losses. Yet people expect us to be a colossal improvement?

After North’s performance yesterday, I figured we would lose. Ablett was an anchor on the Gold Coast.


Nah

People dont appreciate a lack of concentration from the first bounce.
People dont apppreciate the dropped @#$%&! chess marks from AFL footballers.
People dont appreciate shanking kicks for 4 quarters.....

...look I loved the positives, like forward entries, and some of the linking through the corridor, and a handful of players, but dont tell that has anything to do with Collosal improvement.

Its just the @#$%&! basics....101.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:52 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Nothing about being fickle supporters enough is enough
Put together some consistent performances and do us proud
Crap and unacceptable


That's pretty simple to understand.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:52 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
verbs wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Things are rarely as good as they seem, things are never as bad as they seem.

Some of the same supporters who talked us up all summer are now slashing their wrists.

The reality is that we lost two of our best players from last year (Gibbs & Docherty) and didn’t replace them with any ‘ready made’ stars. The club is still in rebuild mode. Yes we should expect better performances than today, but we will have those days sometimes as we get games into our youngsters and tune the offensive/defensive balance of our game style.

We lost by about the same margin to the same opponent this time last year. We have played about 3 good quarters out of 8 so far in 2018. It’s not good enough and we should expect more. But let’s not panic. Keep perspective.

A few of you need to not get so high when we win or so low when we lose. It’s bad for your health...


take emotion out of supporters and a club has nothing


Nothing wrong with having emotion/passion, but fickle and unrealistic supporters do not help the club.


We haven’t improved our best 22 with Gibbs, Kreuzer and Docherty out. Three massive losses. Yet people expect us to be a colossal improvement?

After North’s performance yesterday, I figured we would lose. Ablett was an anchor on the Gold Coast.


Nah

People dont appreciate a lack of concentration from the first bounce.
People dont apppreciate the dropped @#$%&! chess marks from AFL footballers.
People dont appreciate shanking kicks for 4 quarters.....

...look I loved the positives, like forward entries, and some of the linking through the corridor, and a handful of players, but dont tell that has anything to do with Collosal improvement.

Its just the @#$%&! basics....101.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:54 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Leadership. Leaders that fail are ones that talk the talk but won't can't walk it. Lead by example. Our current captain is not up to his role. Probably our worst captain since I have followed the Carlton FC since 1968. I defy anyone to dispute that his performances as a captain and player so far this year have been poor. Today laid it all out in the open for all to see. No where to hide.


Are you hanging shit Taff or for real?

That's what I said in match day thread.

First time I've been critical of him as a leader. Gloves are off :fight:

Telling it like I see it. Poor leadership.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:56 pm 
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redback wrote:
pathetic and weak effort
they fumbled because they shit themselves and were always looking for the body contact to come
stupid decisions when going forward and hardly an attacking handball or even a kick to advantage
our senior members where really uninspiring and made a huge number of stupid decisions and skill errors
we have drafted outcasts from other clubs that offer nothing and have taken us backwards this year
jack deserved his demotion but needs to be followed by weitering and dow just to emphasis that just because you are a high draft pick doesn't give you an automatic selection or sense of entitlement
the biggest gripe of all goes to the selection and coaching panel
whoever has taught these back men to stand 10 meters in front and off their opponent should be horse whipped, they do know that the opposition can kick over 30 meters and can be quite accurate, in two games they have totally destroyed our back line and probably ruined their confidence as a unit
what the f!@#$ are you thinking
and for the last note simpson needs to stop these dinky 10m hba kicks i think he has cost us enough for the year already


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:59 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I think we assumed the guys left behind with another year behind them would be able to step up a level.

Case in point were today’s opposition, who seem to not have not missed a beat without Ablett, O’Meara or Prestia.

Until we can move beyond the whole “we lost because X player was out” we aren’t going anywhere.


There you go.

Other bottom teams have lost stars...and Ablett = Gibbs, Kreuzer and Docherty.

No excuse.

Players failed to play football today.

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aboynamedsue wrote:
I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.


I'm not so sure ... good coaches get the best out of their team. they develop the list into bonafides.

Hinkley put port on the map, a team hotly considered for the spoon that year.

Beveridge did it with the bulldogs in a year most had bulldogs as an outside top 8 team.

Dew seems to pushing what many thought was a bottom 4 GC team (without ablett) into the upper reaches already.


my point is, this is year 3 of bolton. And we haven't developed dramatically. Our skills haven't progressed, we still seem unsure of the gameplan. we're out tackled & out run every game. and with the gameplan. We have a plan A, but never a B or C. all signs point towards coaching as our achilles.

i hate saying it, but bolton could be a career assistant coach. he excels in the peripheral coaching aspects, but being the gameday coach, the one who has to adjust and think on the run. he looks in over his head.


living up here on the GC, Dew is as impressive as i've seen. At one point we had a choice between Dew and Bolton, and chose the latter. makes me wonder what if. i mean look at what bolton got out of holman, and in JLT and the early season so far, Dew has eclipsed that with his output from holman.

holman did a job on cripps today.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:05 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
How many years do we have to put up with this crap

This team is a disgrace pathetic effort most of us predicted this last week we knew it was going to happen -happened last year

Let's not let Bolton off he needs to do better
Pathetic that we are 5 goals behind at quarter time
Stop torturing us
Stop being insipid
Stop it supporters are leaving in droves for god sake do something

I have been supporting this side for 50 years plus and I have to put up with this crap Im getting to the stage I want to jump off
Complete crap


I cancelled the Annual Family Holiday overseas. This year it was USA because the kids felt the Blues would improve with another preseason and a few coming back from injury, plus they wan to see Blues at new Perth Stadium and we haven't gone to Adelaide since new stadium. We decided we will do all the Interstate games plus a few in Melbourne we usually would see.

I'm hearing you frank, but I'm not yet regretting the decision to change travel plans, because I'm hoping the players will realise they dropped the ball today and there's time to redeem.

All they have to do is get the @#$%&! nut, and do the basics properly.
Hunt in packs....those who are fit enough.


...and @#$%&! me Lamb, just after I paid you a compliment in match day thread, you miss a standard 40 metre shot at goal to stifle our momentum. Embarssing.

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Paddycripps wrote:
Murphy says we got carried away after last weeks game.

Um, WTF?!


He refuses to take ownership.

That's exactly how he played and how he led.

Even Warner knew he couldn't hide from the fact it was he not we.

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I thought that was one of the best games for us so far from daisey. But others weren't happy with him so I might have to watch again to be sure.

Few other ok performances I can't really rate as a pro but not a con either.

Byrne was bad for a second week in a row but I've seen got things in him in the past so I'm not sure how hard to go. I'm more confused than upset at him.

No need to add anything about Murphy. I agree with most here today.


I thought Daisy made good things happen as reward from effort. He busted a gut, hit hard, tackled and was a one touch player...he isnt the class act he once was because he's lost a yard....imo. Haters would have hated that, and he's an easy target when there was another 14 players who didnt turn up.

Byrne was still at JLT. Dont know if he's got the footy smarts. he's got pace when he wants to use it. He was bloody disappointing from the get go.....imo

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Paddycripps wrote:
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I thought that was one of the best games for us so far from daisey. But others weren't happy with him so I might have to watch again to be sure.

Few other ok performances I can't really rate as a pro but not a con either.

Byrne was bad for a second week in a row but I've seen got things in him in the past so I'm not sure how hard to go. I'm more confused than upset at him.

No need to add anything about Murphy. I agree with most here today.


I have seen a few say they liked Daisy's game but I don't agree.

Didn't do anything damaging of note and dropped a chest mark at a really important time that robbed us of possible momentum. Like Lamb's missed set shot.

Then when a teammate had a free he kicked the ball poorly to said teammate which wasted time and in turn an opportunity for the team.

Lazy and Unprofessional and lacking in belief and leadership. Symptomatic of the team at large.


He wasnt lazy imo.

He did a lot of good things, basics but he laboured to achieve, and like others he, not the coach dropped the easy mark.

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Paddycripps wrote:
Crippa wrote:
I thought that was one of the best games for us so far from daisey. But others weren't happy with him so I might have to watch again to be sure.

Few other ok performances I can't really rate as a pro but not a con either.

Byrne was bad for a second week in a row but I've seen got things in him in the past so I'm not sure how hard to go. I'm more confused than upset at him.

No need to add anything about Murphy. I agree with most here today.


I have seen a few say they liked Daisy's game but I don't agree.

Didn't do anything damaging of note and dropped a chest mark at a really important time that robbed us of possible momentum. Like Lamb's missed set shot.

Then when a teammate had a free he kicked the ball poorly to said teammate which wasted time and in turn an opportunity for the team.

Lazy and Unprofessional and lacking in belief and leadership. Symptomatic of the team at large.


I saw him put a few teammates into space and saw him deliver the ball nicely. He also flew for a contest against two and brought the ball to ground for Fish to run on to. He took a decent hit in doing so.

I agree his lazy kick back to Gartlett wasn't great but he was running into an open goal and it was inexplicable why the ump refused to call advantage. The ump robbed Daisey of what would have been a good goal. But yeah he wouldn't be proud of the way he returned the ball. He did several other good things if class as leadership though.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:14 pm 
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WOW wrote:
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Murphy says we got carried away after last weeks game.

Um, WTF?!

Let's not kid ourselves, we are just rubbish

This club has been making excuses for the last 17 years

I am still waiting for that line in the sand game

Until we build some resilience in this team, we won't be going anywhere


Get Fogarty!....oops we missed that chance

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Braithy wrote:
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I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.


I'm not so sure ... good coaches get the best out of their team. they develop the list into bonafides.

Hinkley put port on the map, a team hotly considered for the spoon that year.

Beveridge did it with the bulldogs in a year most had bulldogs as an outside top 8 team.

Dew seems to pushing what many thought was a bottom 4 GC team (without ablett) into the upper reaches already.


my point is, this is year 3 of bolton. And we haven't developed dramatically. Our skills haven't progressed, we still seem unsure of the gameplan. we're out tackled & out run every game. and with the gameplan. We have a plan A, but never a B or C. all signs point towards coaching as our achilles.

i hate saying it, but bolton could be a career assistant coach. he excels in the peripheral coaching aspects, but being the gameday coach, the one who has to adjust and think on the run. he looks in over his head.


living up here on the GC, Dew is as impressive as i've seen. At one point we had a choice between Dew and Bolton, and chose the latter. makes me wonder what if. i mean look at what bolton got out of holman, and in JLT and the early season so far, Dew has eclipsed that with his output from holman.

holman did a job on cripps today.


Cripps had 20 contested possessions. Should’ve had two goals if he could kick straight. A good job? Not really.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:18 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Braithy wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.


I'm not so sure ... good coaches get the best out of their team. they develop the list into bonafides.

Hinkley put port on the map, a team hotly considered for the spoon that year.

Beveridge did it with the bulldogs in a year most had bulldogs as an outside top 8 team.

Dew seems to pushing what many thought was a bottom 4 GC team (without ablett) into the upper reaches already.


my point is, this is year 3 of bolton. And we haven't developed dramatically. Our skills haven't progressed, we still seem unsure of the gameplan. we're out tackled & out run every game. and with the gameplan. We have a plan A, but never a B or C. all signs point towards coaching as our achilles.

i hate saying it, but bolton could be a career assistant coach. he excels in the peripheral coaching aspects, but being the gameday coach, the one who has to adjust and think on the run. he looks in over his head.


living up here on the GC, Dew is as impressive as i've seen. At one point we had a choice between Dew and Bolton, and chose the latter. makes me wonder what if. i mean look at what bolton got out of holman, and in JLT and the early season so far, Dew has eclipsed that with his output from holman.

holman did a job on cripps today.


Cripps had 20 contested possessions. Should’ve had two goals if he could kick straight. A good job? Not really.



in the first half when all the damage was done and we were dusted, holman neutered cripps. check out cripps' first half stats and efficiency. cripps and his metres gained on his possessions was his lowest in 12 games. but yeah cripps did have a much better 2nd half ... when the game was already over.

but shit verbal. that's all you take from my post?

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Braithy wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.


I'm not so sure ... good coaches get the best out of their team. they develop the list into bonafides.

Hinkley put port on the map, a team hotly considered for the spoon that year.

Beveridge did it with the bulldogs in a year most had bulldogs as an outside top 8 team.

Dew seems to pushing what many thought was a bottom 4 GC team (without ablett) into the upper reaches already.


my point is, this is year 3 of bolton. And we haven't developed dramatically. Our skills haven't progressed, we still seem unsure of the gameplan. we're out tackled & out run every game. and with the gameplan. We have a plan A, but never a B or C. all signs point towards coaching as out achilles.

i hate saying it, but bolton could be a career assistant coach. he excels in the peripheral coaching aspects, but being the gameday coach, the one who has to adjust and think on the run. he looks in over his head.


living up here on the GC, Dew is as impressive as i've seen. At one point we had a choice between Dew and Bolton, and chose the latter. makes me wonder what if. i mean look at what bolton got out of holman, and in JLT and the early season so far, Dew has eclipsed that with his output from holman.

holman did a job on cripps today.


Holman was delisted before Bolts arrived, but yes Holman is doing well so far for GC.

I’m not prepared to say Dew is a better coach than Bolts. Dew has coached 2 games. And given the unprecedented turnover of players at Carlton in the last 3 years I seriously doubt many could have done much better than Bolts has in the circumstances. That’s not to say he is immune from criticism.

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bondiblue wrote:
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Murphy - 121 dreamteam/77 supercoach. Great chasing of shank kicks though. Inspiring.


Who gives a @#$%&! about Dreamteam, Dreamtime, Supercoach, Champion bla bla bla.

Ok perhaps Champion will tell us how many of Murphy's handballs (stats, stats stats) reached their intended targets and how many didnt (@#$%&! up after @#$%&! up).

Furthermore, how many of is handballs and kicks didnt have an intended target, but he got the stat!!! @#$%&! the stats.

How many meters gained with his 30 possessions?

How many disposals that hit intended targets put his team mate under more heat than he was in.

Check him out setting the standing with tha ball running out of defense...3-5 minute mark. He didnt chase, and if he did he would have caught the oponent on the 2nd handball. He set the @#$%&! trend. The kids look at hiom for inspiration.

How many tackles did he make. How many tackles did he miss. Who @#$%&! tackles with one floppy arm.

He could have made frontal tackles where he could prove his "body is in a good space". And set an example.

He's a coward. That's right. Did you see beads of sweat on his forehead in the close ups...on a bright sunny day with the roof on....nup...because there was none. His hair looked good.

No excuse.
Checked out?!? FMD!
Losing mentality?! FMD!
Went into the game feeling cocky?!? FMD!

Give us something that looks like a captain instead of pflapping hands 5-10 metres away yelling "kick it to me , kick it to me" when there was better options upfield and a chance to gain metres forward.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: I'm sick of it.

He's THE ON FIELD LEADER,and whilst he doesn't lead by example and sets the rotten tone, the blame goes out to the coach and the MC and then the recruiters.

Take ownership Murph and apologise. Take full responsibility. The buck stops at you!!!! :oops:

I think you misunderstand my posting style and history with Murphy. We agree. You are just 24 months late to the party, that's cool, it's a big church.

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Braithy wrote:
verbs wrote:
Braithy wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.


I'm not so sure ... good coaches get the best out of their team. they develop the list into bonafides.

Hinkley put port on the map, a team hotly considered for the spoon that year.

Beveridge did it with the bulldogs in a year most had bulldogs as an outside top 8 team.

Dew seems to pushing what many thought was a bottom 4 GC team (without ablett) into the upper reaches already.


my point is, this is year 3 of bolton. And we haven't developed dramatically. Our skills haven't progressed, we still seem unsure of the gameplan. we're out tackled & out run every game. and with the gameplan. We have a plan A, but never a B or C. all signs point towards coaching as our achilles.

i hate saying it, but bolton could be a career assistant coach. he excels in the peripheral coaching aspects, but being the gameday coach, the one who has to adjust and think on the run. he looks in over his head.


living up here on the GC, Dew is as impressive as i've seen. At one point we had a choice between Dew and Bolton, and chose the latter. makes me wonder what if. i mean look at what bolton got out of holman, and in JLT and the early season so far, Dew has eclipsed that with his output from holman.

holman did a job on cripps today.


Cripps had 20 contested possessions. Should’ve had two goals if he could kick straight. A good job? Not really.



in the first half when all the damage was done and we were dusted, holman neutered cripps. check out cripps' first half stats and efficiency. cripps and his metres gained on his possessions was his lowest in 12 games. but yeah cripps did have a much better 2nd half ... when the game was already over.

but shit verbal. that's all you take from my post?

please be better.


I’ll try and be better. If the game was over at half time, when Lamb hadn’t missed for goal mid way through the third we would’ve been under 10 points behind. “all the damage” certainly wasn’t done in the first half.

Cripps wasn’t neutered by Holman. Of his 20 contested possession he had about half of them in the first half and should’ve kicked two goals.


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We rolled the dice at selection and it didn't work. I don't mind the coaches trying different strategies, in fact, I'd encourage it but you have to be able to adapt if it's not working.
At the game it was obvious we were going in with a short forward line with Charlie, an out of form Weitering and a bunch of midgets. Our plan appeared to be running the ball, linking with handball and hitting up the leads. The trouble is Gold Coast didn't play along with our plan and their pressure at the contests and the dominance of Witts saw us continually under pressure.
We needed to change it up at quarter time and we did Jack Shit. We kept banging our heads against wall kicking the ball inside 50,only to see it coming back out with interest.

After an uneventful and unproductive first half, it was well overdue to change up the structure and push some size inside forward 50. Jones was the perfect candidate yet the same shit continued.
Consider the circumstances. At half time we've had 37 inside 50s to 23. Yet we've had 9 shots to 13. Weitering was offering nothing and Charlie was being swamped whenever we went forward of centre. Not only were getting no value from our forward line. The ball was coming out at pace giving our defenders little hope. Compounding the problem, we had to abandon the loose defender because Gold Coast pushed their spare to the stoppages so they started to dominate there as well.
With our team selection, Dew and his coaches were able to dictate the game and our coaches were chasing their arses all day.
The selection of Polson was bizzare. Last week in the VFL he had 8 possessions, 2 inside 50s and 2 clearances. Not exactly banging the door down.

We were adventurous at selection but our strategic rigidity during the game was costly. The very few times Casboult was able to drift forward, he attracted the tall defenders and Charlie and the other forwards were finally afforded some room.
At half time Dale Amos was interviewed. He said our set ups were working well. WTF is that? We had 37 inside 50s to 23 yet we were 28 points to 55! What part of the forward set up was working well? It was a @#$%&! up by the coaches and they didn't have the capacity to fix it.
We needed a ruckman. Phillips, TDK, whoever. Charlies not ready to be the main banana against top shelf defenders and nor he should be expected to. We still need Casboult to do the heavy lifting. Charlies time will come but he's not physically ready yet.

So in the end we've had more ball, 17 more inside 50s and we've lost by 34 points.
Does it really sound like our set ups were working well?
I love Bolts and I think his coaching crew are excellent but they had a pig today. I dont mind the strategy but I didn't appreciate the lack of imagination once the ball was bounced. We went in too 1 dimensional and when it started to hurt us (which was always a possibility) the coaches needed to step up. They didnt.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:52 pm 
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Rod Ashman

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Braithy wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I hated today’s result. Hated it.

But I am not surprised by it.

We only have 3 x A-Grade players on our list currently in their prime. Cripps, Doc & Kreuzer.

Those supporters expecting us to win more than 6 games this year (probably the same supporters flagellating the club tonight) need to think again, especially if the Kreuzer injury is a long term one.

To be clear, I don’t think the team should be excused for a poor performance; but take a serious look at the side we fielded today- 12 players with less than 50 games; Cripps; and the remaining 9 players are veterans nearing the end or C and D grade stop gaps.

When Dow, SPS, Charlie, Fisher, Kennedy, Weitering & Marchbank are fully fledged bona fides then I can see us winning more games. Until then, I can almost promise you it will continue to be a roller coaster ride.


I'm not so sure ... good coaches get the best out of their team. they develop the list into bonafides.

Hinkley put port on the map, a team hotly considered for the spoon that year.

Beveridge did it with the bulldogs in a year most had bulldogs as an outside top 8 team.

Dew seems to pushing what many thought was a bottom 4 GC team (without ablett) into the upper reaches already.


my point is, this is year 3 of bolton. And we haven't developed dramatically. Our skills haven't progressed, we still seem unsure of the gameplan. we're out tackled & out run every game. and with the gameplan. We have a plan A, but never a B or C. all signs point towards coaching as our achilles.

i hate saying it, but bolton could be a career assistant coach. he excels in the peripheral coaching aspects, but being the gameday coach, the one who has to adjust and think on the run. he looks in over his head.


living up here on the GC, Dew is as impressive as i've seen. At one point we had a choice between Dew and Bolton, and chose the latter. makes me wonder what if. i mean look at what bolton got out of holman, and in JLT and the early season so far, Dew has eclipsed that with his output from holman.

holman did a job on cripps today.


Don’t make shit up to make your argument better
Holman was gone before Bolts got there


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