Obviously you saw him personally or you wouldn't be peddling rumours. That is correct isn't it. You saw him?
Was he drinking alcohol? What time did he get home?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

The football world is filled with young men who've made a mistake, or even made several, only to be educated and provided with re-teaching, support, opportunities and a vision for what their contribution can look like in a successful team etc.

You must must've be such a paragon in your circle of influence with your elevated standards and demonstrative self righteousness. Good on you. May I have the honour just to touch your robes??

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Great news. He's been a very good player (sorry, I'm in te minority who think he's been overrated) for us but we need to regenerate the midfield with the draft. Will be 30 I think next year. Adel need him more than we do going forward

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He was spotted out at Tomic's $50k do.

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29 next year.

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dane's trolling again

nck seems very passionate about all this and as such i tend to believe him
maybe kj has some serious issues? is the club turning their back on him because of them?

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dane's trolling again

can't argue with that summary

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dane's trolling again

Haha I wrote a big post about letting everybody have their own opinion without mocking them and being so aggressive to each other but then decided after I posted it that I could be bothered with the flack I would inevitably cop so I tried to remove the post but I couldn't work out how so I just 'edited it'.

For the record while I am writing this, I don't know what the full story is but I trust the club. They worked with him and observed him far closer than us for 3 years and made the decision to delist so I trust it's the right decision.

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(double that)

Listen champ, I'd rather trust those in charge at the club making the decisions. I know what high performance environments look like and if my club makes a call on a player not worth putting on the trade table, then so be it. Thankfully you're not running the show in list management at CFC.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

There's a difference. The club delisted a player. You're making assertions that he delisted because he was on the grog, late nights etc.
Thats what shits me with these rumours. nck posted a couple of months ago about KJ being out late one night. When I followed up asking if he was drinking or how late he was out, no reply. No substantiation.
See, I think if you're going to gob off on about a player and sully his reputation, there is an onus on you to back it up.
Because someone posts an unsubstantiated rumour about a player, suddenly other posters claim he's out on the town all the time and hitting the piss. Hell, Dane even believes it because "he's passionate about it" Lets not worry about the facts!

So no, you're not backing in the club and its reasons because you don't know what they are. You're backing a poster who drops hand grenades, wipes his hands and walks away when challenged to back up his story. Theres a big difference between the 2.

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Ok 99 and BV, let's assume that all negative reports about KJ are unsubstantiated at best. So if we ignore all those stories and take them out of the picture, do you agree the club knows KJs ability, personality and work ethic better than us? Therefore we can assume they delisted him for good reasons? Or do you believe the club has got this move wrong? To be clear, there is no wrong or right, just different opinions and I'm just trying to understand yours.

Yes

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The cavalry has arrived. Because you're a nobody, I won't reveal my sources. Put it this way, They're very trusted. I'll leave it at that.

Go back to playing legos, and yes, I am backing the club and its reasons. After all that's their job. If you don't trust their judgement, why support the club?

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

KJ should've gone to the Saints when he had the chance.

Can someone humour me. I read on this forum that KJ knew he was gone in April/May (?).

Why was that? What had he done or hadn't done that was so repugnant?

I'm pissed with the club who flowered a pick with the GWS deal. SOS was in charge at GWS at the time and was happy to sanction the deal to offload KJ & Whiley & we were all to eager!

2m Peter > KJ, Whiley & Broekhurst

Ok I'm starting to understand you better now. I get where you are coming from and can respect that.

Most of us don't know. Some might, but their comments can't be taken as fact so some others believe it's unfair to level such criticism at a 22 year old kid. It's a bit of a no win situation for everybody involved.

And I trust the pile of evidence from the past that tells me that 22 yo can f^&* things up, but get themselves right. He was given not one opportunity for the most powerful type of redemption...an opportunity to taste and see what success could look like on the big stage.

Difference with KJ was that as catastrophic as his behaviour has been over the last 3 years, the club have been better than ASIO at ensuring no leaks to the public....after all, it's not as though the media would want to jump on a story about a miscreant player????

We've heard 5/8 of flower all in public...just speculation and rumours (which probably have substance and which other clubs would be well aware of). i'm very confident he'll end up on an AFL list (rookie or main) in 2018.

Imagine if Carey, Fevola, Martin, Didak, Shaw, De Goey, Rocklif and about another 100 players over the last 20 years were cast adrift prematurely

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Obviously the club have made an assessment that taking into account every variable, every factor, chances of rehabilitation etc etc, he was not worth pursuing with in 2018

Nothing wrong with delisting a player. My question has always been...what on field evidence do we have that he should be delisted? What concrete off-field evidence do we have?

Don't get me wrong...he's obviously done some things he shouldn't have. Thing is...nobody, apart from a select group know. There is something quite strange about it.

We all knew about Lawrence Angwin and we all accepted it. The cloak of secrecy with KJ is astonishing

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