Liberatore

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"I'll tell you what I didn't do;
I never injected anyone."
AD 3/3/14

Well that's the vibe.

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

I thought Rocket was a stretch but Tony Liberatore for director of coaching to replace Craig an inspired choice

On footy classified Tom Liberatore not on the market according to Dogs

We need midfielders. Liberatore suits our needs.

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"I'll tell you what I didn't do;
I never injected anyone."
AD 3/3/14

I don't think his old man would be that welcome.

Interesting interview with Craig on SEN this morning. When asked if the possibility of another wodden spoon worried him, he responded by saying not at all because all decisions are made around how to win our next flag not about how to avoid winning the current seasons wood spoon. Pretty good answer in my opinion.

Its a crap answer if you ask me and a total cop out.
If you lòok at our best 2 players Cripps and Docherty where were they selected in draft. Charlie Curnow is not a pick number 1 as is being touted as the potential best player in the comp.
The ramifications of continuous bottom finishes far out way the pick 1's
Players all play the game to win flags coming bottom of the table has a knock on affect with player retention as well as attracting big names from other clubs who wants to stay at a club or come to a club who are 3-4 years away if you are lucky of competing competitively in finals
You also get crap fixturing that affects sponsorship, crowd numbers and membership numbers are appallingly.
You do not win by finishing last . The recent history over 10 years should make this abundantly clear to everyone.

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You're missing the point. What he's saying is our focus is on building a team to compete for a premiership. That includes giving players experience and formulating a game style that is sustainable and conducive to success.

Would you rather they play more experienced players who won't be there next year with the sole focus of avoiding the wooden spoon? What a short sighted approach that would be.
We're better off playing the kids who will be a part of our future, surrounded by senior players who can set the standards for them to learn off. If that means we finish lower now but it fastbacks our improvement, its a perfect approach. If that means we finish 18th instead of 17th, I couldn't give a @#$%&! .

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

And these kids we fast track for the future get up and leave for another club.
How do you feel about that.
Player retention for bottom sides is a big issue.
Clubs put 6 to 7 years of development and sometimes even less and they walk out the door.
Your club will never improve at that rate.
Losing games continually is a bigger detriment to the club than so called fast tracking of players for the future.
Developing kids need players around them of quality and the team needs to show signs of heading upward not backwards like we have gone this year.
Football is about wins and losses and anything outside of that like development, progression etc is just fluff and bluster.
Teaching 3 or 4 kicks how to win is far better for development that having 7 or 8 getting beaten each week.
Look how quickly the Swans youth develops

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I think that's part of the point though SB - we wont be a bottom team if we stick to the model and focus on the list development and a sustainable game plan.

I for one am confident we will see a big improvement both in score for and ladder position next year and even more so in 2019.

It's been 22 years, I'm OK with another 2 or 3.

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

How many players have walked out of Carlton in the past 20 years, that you wanted to keep, to go to a top side?
5? 10? How about none. Anyone we have lost, we didn't rate them highly enough to offer reasonable contracts. Rightly or wrongly, it was of our doing, not there's.

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Betts Touhy Kennedy Grigg and Hendo most likely all playing finals this year
I would have kept them all

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If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

How many players have decided to forego "reasonable contracts" elsewhere because they wanted to stay at Carlton and be part of the next premiership? How about none.

Winning the wooden spoon is not a recipe for long term success. If you look at recent premiers the only team to have one is the W. Bulldogs (2003). The most successful clubs this century, (Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong), haven't seen one in decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_A ... den_spoons

How would you know how many players have rejected reasonable contracts elsewhere to stay.
There could be 10? Didn't Kreuzer reject a big contract from GWS to stay?

Some of you blokes are panicking about the wooden spoon. Craig didn't say we are looking to win the spoon. He only said avoiding it isn't our primary focus. Development is. Surely thats the appropriate way to go.

Secondly, we're second bottom, not in wooden spoon position.
As for your rubbish about other clubs. Hawthorn finished second bottom in 2004. Exactly where we are now.
The 2004 draft netted them Roughead from their priority pick and Franklin from their first pick. That didn't seem to destroy their attempts at long term success or compromise their culture.

We should be focussing on developing and fast tracking the players. Whatever it takes to achieve long term success as soon as possible should be our focus.
Not worrying about sooky supporters worrying what people will say about finishing 1 or 2 spots lower on the ladder.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

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I'm shocked to be sitting here

SB I think you're due for a spell.

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dane's trolling again

dane's trolling again

What I'm curious about is which players are people (who want us to avoid a wooden spoon at all costs) wanting to bring in from our all conquering VFL side in order for us to avoid the wooden spoon.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

a few years ago 2/3 we beaten by swans and in the article about the game monday morning this was said " they (syd) were stronger ,quicker, taller" than us so all these years gone past wat has change i know stronger and quicker hasnt .

Just going back to this; my thinking is that we're on the look-out for a small forward and rookie listed one of the best in the VFL in Gallucci. His first year was ruined by injury so we decided to give him another year to have a look. This didn't affect our interest in Le Bois, so we ended up with two on the list at the same time. I can basically see what they were trying to do, even if it perhaps unbalances the list. That being said, it seems as if some of the under-age defenders we recruited might end up being mids (Williamson in particular), so perhaps they weren't as concerned about list-balance as we are?