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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:40 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Who is going to tell BB?


Bolton knows. He also knows what happened earlier in the season when we tried to move the ball quicker. Our midfield depth is too easily exposed if we move the ball quickly.
He also knows that if we can't control the tempo of the game and set up to prevent the opposition moving the ball quickly, we get exposed as well. We want the opposition kicking down the line to our extra numbers.The only way at the moment to achieve that is to move the ball slowly and allow our players the opportunity to set up defensively behind every possession.
We have to kick and mark. If we don't take more marks than the opposition, we don't win.

As for Casboult, he has serious deficiencies but without him, this game style won't function. Our forwards are currently battling against 1-4 extra defenders. What chance do we have of Silvagni or Curnow giving us a contested mark or ground ball at those odds? Next to zero.

If we bolster our midfield in 2018 and get another pre-season into our young defenders, they can fend for themselves better next season. Then we can give our forwards a shot at 1 on 1 footy. Until then, Casboult is the workhorse that enables our structure to function without getting beaten by 90 points every second week.


Our handball skills and spacing sucks for the fast game. We turn it over 3 out of 5 at a guess when we do. We need lots of work in this area to make it work for us, and the players who have clean hands.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:49 pm 
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BIBI01 wrote:
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/08/10/casboult-worth-every-cent/

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Casboult worth every cent
By SEN 7 minutes ago

Ralph compared Casboult to Sydney forward Sam Reid who this week signed a four-year deal worth a reported $2 million.

“He’s a better player than Sam Reid,” he said.

“But quite often he goes missing whereas Casboult is a contested marking freak (ranked No. 1 in the competition) and his kicking is better than it was.”

Casboult, who will be 28 prior to the commencement of next season, is understood to want a four-year deal.

Levi's kicking being better is like my putting, I have gone from 5 putting to 4 putting............................. hmmmm that makes my putting pretty ordinary.


I'd say that it's probably more your approach shots that are the problem. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:48 pm 
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Playing slow ugly footy won't wash with supporters next year. It has to change.


You've been around a long time Rexy. I thought you would appreciate the steps forward the team has taken under Bolts. It's changing slowly. It's almost impossible to alter the cattle and style quickly. Surely the majority of fans are happy with our progress this year and are confident it will continue next year.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:23 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
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Playing slow ugly footy won't wash with supporters next year. It has to change.


You've been around a long time Rexy. I thought you would appreciate the steps forward the team has taken under Bolts. It's changing slowly. It's almost impossible to alter the cattle and style quickly. Surely the majority of fans are happy with our progress this year and are confident it will continue next year.


Fans have been saying the same thing since 2002.
We had 18000?? members back then

Our game has had holes in it since Parkin jumped ship.

Now we have 50,000 members because we aren't bleeding.
But we believe in something.

Imagine when BB's reset starts peaking in 2019.
It will happen. We've been the AFLs basket place for a long time.
And we're coming back from a long way away.

Fans like me love the fact we are in games right up to the last quarter or last minutes and winning a handful too.
I can see we are not that far off now.
Its finally midfield feast time in the Draft/ Trades/FA.
A couple years of that wont hurt our list, then we judge BB's game plan.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:45 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Playing slow ugly footy won't wash with supporters next year. It has to change.


You've been around a long time Rexy. I thought you would appreciate the steps forward the team has taken under Bolts. It's changing slowly. It's almost impossible to alter the cattle and style quickly. Surely the majority of fans are happy with our progress this year and are confident it will continue next year.


Fans have been saying the same thing since 2002.
We had 18000?? members back then

Our game has had holes in it since Parkin jumped ship.

Now we have 50,000 members because we aren't bleeding.
But we believe in something.

Imagine when BB's reset starts peaking in 2019.
It will happen. We've been the AFLs basket place for a long time.
And we're coming back from a long way away.

Fans like me love the fact we are in games right up to the last quarter or last minutes and winning a handful too.
I can see we are not that far off now.
Its finally midfield feast time in the Draft/ Trades/FA.
A couple years of that wont hurt our list, then we judge BB's game plan.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:24 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Playing slow ugly footy won't wash with supporters next year. It has to change.


You've been around a long time Rexy. I thought you would appreciate the steps forward the team has taken under Bolts. It's changing slowly. It's almost impossible to alter the cattle and style quickly. Surely the majority of fans are happy with our progress this year and are confident it will continue next year.


Fans have been saying the same thing since 2002.
We had 18000?? members back then

Our game has had holes in it since Parkin jumped ship.

Now we have 50,000 members because we aren't bleeding.
But we believe in something.

Imagine when BB's reset starts peaking in 2019.
It will happen. We've been the AFLs basket place for a long time.
And we're coming back from a long way away.

Fans like me love the fact we are in games right up to the last quarter or last minutes and winning a handful too.
I can see we are not that far off now.
Its finally midfield feast time in the Draft/ Trades/FA.
A couple years of that wont hurt our list, then we judge BB's game plan.

It won't be the same game plan we currently have.
That's Rexy's point.
BB says ladder position and wins and losses are not what we will be measure by but they are quantifiable measuring sticks and everything else is someone's opinion.
The game plan has to evolve with the list and I agree 100% with Rexy (at least on this one point). If the plan doesn't change/evolve to suit the list changes, the fans will not be happy.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:27 pm 
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Bondiblue is correct. The club is on the right path. I'm happy to wait and see this club be great again. You can only develop a game plan around the players at your disposal. My 2 cents worth is this: get rid of casboult. He is a polished dud. Don't be fooled. He is not imposing enough. After this this years trade and draft period the team will be looking a lot better.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:29 pm 
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Oh and Denis Pagan is a knob. Top 4...what is he thinking (he clearly isn't).


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:41 pm 
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SOS has done some good things with our list, but it's still a mystery to me why he picked 2 small forwards in the last rookie draft when we were so obviously needing at least 1 more midfielder. Our list looks unbalanced because of it. James Cousins would have been a nice pick up instead of Gallucci @ rookie pick #37.

It's hard to develop players in a VFL side that has no midfield.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:16 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
SOS has done some good things with our list, but it's still a mystery to me why he picked 2 small forwards in the last rookie draft when we were so obviously needing at least 1 more midfielder. Our list looks unbalanced because of it. James Cousins would have been a nice pick up instead of Gallucci @ rookie pick #37.

It's hard to develop players in a VFL side that has no midfield.


Agree but questioning any of his moves isn't allowed... :grin:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:29 pm 
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In this system ... might as well finish last if you are not in the top eight ... especially since we are not getting blown out of the water.

Another No. 1 pick in the AFL and Pre-Season draft would be just fine by me. If you have to finish last then let it be with a bunch of honorable losses. We are trying ... but the bodies are not big or experienced enough. We are not just throwing in the towel like we use to.

Next year will be a big especially if we can Kelly (He might even walk with a bit of luck) ... then there is the possibility of Hopper. I reckon the Kids in our team will improve 50%.
Pickett/Curnow/McKay/Silvagni/SPS/Marchbank/Powman/Cuningham/MaCreadie/Weitering/Williamson all showing something.
Then we have the under 25s Dockerty/Cripps/Lamb/Byrne. This year we also found a key backman (even if he did get flogged tonight) in Jones.
Gibbs has plenty left to offer. Kreuzer ... his best year.

So much to look forward to after the damage of the Madhouse years.

I am really excited about next year and the future.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:06 am 
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Sumner, buckley, KJ graham, gone.

Gallucci, JGM, korchek, sheehan, sorry but time's up.

are we stuck with smedts and palmer and gorringe for another year???? :donk:

One of white or Rowe has to go.

Elevate silvagni if needed and give him another year

Bokehurst can maybe have a one year offer. If he wants more certainty then we need to really weigh it up.

Lamb either one or two years depending on how highly they rate him.

Phillips.. Not sure. Depends if we recruit another Ruckman.

Whether daisy stays depends on gibbs and simpson. If they both play on with us then I'd be tempted to offer daisy one year max as a good will gesture.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:02 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Sumner, buckley, KJ graham, gone.

Gallucci, JGM, korchek, sheehan, sorry but time's up.

are we stuck with smedts and palmer and gorringe for another year???? :donk:

One of white or Rowe has to go.

Elevate silvagni if needed and give him another year

Bokehurst can maybe have a one year offer. If he wants more certainty then we need to really weigh it up.

Lamb either one or two years depending on how highly they rate him.

Phillips.. Not sure. Depends if we recruit another Ruckman.

Whether daisy stays depends on gibbs and simpson. If they both play on with us then I'd be tempted to offer daisy one year max as a good will gesture.


Pretty sure Phillips resigned for 2 years


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:06 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Sumner, buckley, KJ graham, gone.

Gallucci, JGM, korchek, sheehan, sorry but time's up.

are we stuck with smedts and palmer and gorringe for another year???? :donk:

One of white or Rowe has to go.

Elevate silvagni if needed and give him another year

Bokehurst can maybe have a one year offer. If he wants more certainty then we need to really weigh it up.

Lamb either one or two years depending on how highly they rate him.

Phillips.. Not sure. Depends if we recruit another Ruckman.

Whether daisy stays depends on gibbs and simpson. If they both play on with us then I'd be tempted to offer daisy one year max as a good will gesture.


A very shallow draft, no second round pick. I'm unsure if its wise to be dumping 10 players. Its pointless replacing them with rubbish.

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aboynamedsue wrote:
SOS has done some good things with our list, but it's still a mystery to me why he picked 2 small forwards in the last rookie draft when we were so obviously needing at least 1 more midfielder. Our list looks unbalanced because of it. James Cousins would have been a nice pick up instead of Gallucci @ rookie pick #37.

It's hard to develop players in a VFL side that has no midfield.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:02 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
Sumner, buckley, KJ graham, gone.

Gallucci, JGM, korchek, sheehan, sorry but time's up.

are we stuck with smedts and palmer and gorringe for another year???? :donk:

One of white or Rowe has to go.

Elevate silvagni if needed and give him another year

Bokehurst can maybe have a one year offer. If he wants more certainty then we need to really weigh it up.

Lamb either one or two years depending on how highly they rate him.

Phillips.. Not sure. Depends if we recruit another Ruckman.

Whether daisy stays depends on gibbs and simpson. If they both play on with us then I'd be tempted to offer daisy one year max as a good will gesture.


A very shallow draft, no second round pick. I'm unsure if its wise to be dumping 10 players. Its pointless replacing them with rubbish.


Given the list and the amount of players off contract, i reckon we will go close to these numbers off all lists. Looks like we will try and get a priority pick and a pick for Levi. Potentially for Gibbs too. It was 12 players last year and a similar number the year before. I reckon it's on the cards again this year, and probably 8 to 10 ish next year too.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Playing slow ugly footy won't wash with supporters next year. It has to change.


You've been around a long time Rexy. I thought you would appreciate the steps forward the team has taken under Bolts. It's changing slowly. It's almost impossible to alter the cattle and style quickly. Surely the majority of fans are happy with our progress this year and are confident it will continue next year.


Fans have been saying the same thing since 2002.
We had 18000?? members back then

Our game has had holes in it since Parkin jumped ship.

Now we have 50,000 members because we aren't bleeding.
But we believe in something.

Imagine when BB's reset starts peaking in 2019.
It will happen. We've been the AFLs basket place for a long time.
And we're coming back from a long way away.

Fans like me love the fact we are in games right up to the last quarter or last minutes and winning a handful too.
I can see we are not that far off now.
Its finally midfield feast time in the Draft/ Trades/FA.
A couple years of that wont hurt our list, then we judge BB's game plan.

BB must be a fan of TC. Both Rexy and BS on the money this week. Changed approach made for a super game that we could have won, even with our injury-riddled list.
Came out running as I have been asking for and the opposition took a while to realize what had happened and by then we were a coupe of goals up.
Proves you don't have to play ugly all the time to win or almost win a game of footy.
Well done BB. The fans Rexy was talking about have had a glimpse of the future.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:35 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
Sumner, buckley, KJ graham, gone.

Gallucci, JGM, korchek, sheehan, sorry but time's up.

are we stuck with smedts and palmer and gorringe for another year???? :donk:

One of white or Rowe has to go.

Elevate silvagni if needed and give him another year

Bokehurst can maybe have a one year offer. If he wants more certainty then we need to really weigh it up.

Lamb either one or two years depending on how highly they rate him.

Phillips.. Not sure. Depends if we recruit another Ruckman.

Whether daisy stays depends on gibbs and simpson. If they both play on with us then I'd be tempted to offer daisy one year max as a good will gesture.


Pretty sure Phillips resigned for 2 years

He did.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:17 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
SOS has done some good things with our list, but it's still a mystery to me why he picked 2 small forwards in the last rookie draft when we were so obviously needing at least 1 more midfielder. Our list looks unbalanced because of it. James Cousins would have been a nice pick up instead of Gallucci @ rookie pick #37.

It's hard to develop players in a VFL side that has no midfield.

I'd say SOS likes to get his KPP and on ballers with the really early picks and get his flankers and forward pockets with later picks. Looking at the GWS midfield and they were all taken with high picks (Coniglio, Kelly, Whitfield, Hopper, Greene). Ours is definitely well short of star quality at the moment though.


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