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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:39 am 
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There were two snaps at goal from about 30 m out or less during the game which didn't even make the distance. I think Graham and the Skipper were the culprits. Could ve used those goals at both stages.
Also, how easily did we allow the Tiges to stroll out of our forward 50 and go coast to coast without anyone going near them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:58 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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Gibbs kick to Pickett in the last qtr was overcooked.

Don't be too hard on him for that one people.

A game shouldn't come down to an isolated incident in a pressure situation.

We played loose football and were punished accordingly.

It was half a metre too high. I thought it was well paced, though and he might well have marked it anyway.




Look it's been a few years since we've had a 5' 6" target forward, so I think we should cut both players a bit of slack.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:59 am 
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Gibbs kick went to space, where Pickett should have been.

Pickett led at the ball carrier, which was the wrong way.

Experience v inexperience and the ball sails high.

I was wasn't wrong but I wouldn't claim to be in the right either.

Play on is the call.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:01 am 
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We still haven't moved past the 'bomb and hope' approach to entering the forward line.
The difference between the two forward lines was stark and downright embarrassing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:19 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
We still haven't moved past the 'bomb and hope' approach to entering the forward line.
The difference between the two forward lines was stark and downright embarrassing.


What you saw was the difference between a midfield delivering under pressure and a midfield being allowed to run through the middle of the ground in numbers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:22 am 
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Agreed Dom but defensive pressure and missed tackles was the greatest difference - we were really poor in both as well as bombing the ball in-thought the old mitch robinson was still playing with the number of boot and hope kicks

our structure and to a certain degree the Tigers ineptitude kept us close - reminded me of first game last year where if Tigers got enough in front we were not going to run them down because of impotency in attack

Houli should get 4 weeks - imagine if lamb had of taken out Houli like that the hue and cry would have been ridiculous


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:28 am 
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Taff wrote:
Pros
We have improved since we played them in March.
Charlie C will be a star
Cripps is a beast
Docherty and Simmo gave their all
Jones was excellent. Hardly lost a contest.
Young Jack gives his heart and soul - will be very good
Plowman, Marchbank, Weitering all solid.
Levi - great pack parking and presence around the ground
Kreuzer - a great warrior.
Cons
Murphy - looking for the cheapy, not a leader by example. If he is not injured then he needs to take stock.
Smedts, Boekhurst, Graham, Pickett, Thomas not up to it.
Lack of class.
Poor tackling
Impotent forward line.

We have a young side. Bolton will help them learn from that.

Danny frawley will help them learn from that too?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:32 am 
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MPH78 wrote:
Could only watch the last qtr due to my sons footy. Sadly that was more than enough.

Sounds like I don't need to rush and watch the first 3.

Appears we were comprehensively outplayed and we never really in it. That is really disappointing.

Adelaide on the rebound next week :yikes:

They will get us on the rebound too.....remember where yiu read this first!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:33 am 
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Taff wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Taff wrote:
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We have improved since we played them in March.
Charlie C will be a star TICK
Cripps is a beast TICK
Docherty and Simmo gave their allTICK
Jones was excellent. Hardly lost a contest. TICK
Young Jack gives his heart and soul - will be very goodTICK
Plowman, Marchbank, Weitering all solid.TICK
Levi - great pack parking and presence around the groundTICK
Kreuzer - a great warrior.TICK
Cons
Murphy - looking for the cheapy, not a leader by example. If he is not injured then he needs to take stock.TICK
Smedts, Boekhurst, Graham, Pickett, Thomas not up to it. Boekhurst needs to stay in the team and get a good run at it. Graham was one of our more competitive inside players. Pickett needs a run at it. If that pass from Gibbs had have been two feet lower, Pickett kicks the goal. Thomas played OK
Lack of class.TICK Our bottom six need to improve.
Poor tacklingDOUBLE TICK

We have a young side. Bolton will help them learn from that.[color=#FF0000]He needs to learn from it as well. He didn't try anything at all. Could have tried Weiterng up forward and gone with a smaller backline. Could have put an extra man in the defensive fifty to cut off some of the easy short transverse passes that ended up shots on goal. Something. Anything. [/color]


I sat watching it knowing we were never going to win and had we pinched it, it would have given people a false idea of where we are at. The only time I was annoyed was when we missed an easy handball to run into the F50 and they ran the length of the ground four wide and kicked an easy goal.

There is a lot to like going forward. Richmond are at least a year ahead of us and their trades last season for running mids was a great move. That's what we have to learn from as well.


Until Boekhurst is prepared to commit to the contest and take the physical contact that comes with that, he will struggle. I get the decent run at it but there are basic flaws in his game that he has not addressed since he arrived.

Another kane lucas?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:38 am 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
We still haven't moved past the 'bomb and hope' approach to entering the forward line.
The difference between the two forward lines was stark and downright embarrassing.


I think that was more a symptom of the way we got it forward.

The bomb down the line coming out of 50 was the problem. We need to be bold as Bolton says. Handpass to the guy standing next to you and start a chain or chip short and fast at angles to that we gain meters while shuffling their defense/press around. Get some over lap and get the ball forward with our blokes streaming into 50 and them scrambled. That is the way we play when we are doing well and we never notice the bomb inside 50. Bombing down the line at Casboult is so last year and at best if we win a few stoppages gets us to a position where we end up bombing into a crowded forward line.

We also missed lamb winning one on ones and creating space when we did go forward with some system.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:39 am 
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Stone Free wrote:
We need a new tackling coach stat.

Tackling not a problem last two games.....

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:48 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Gibbs kick to Pickett in the last qtr was overcooked.



Nah, he had plenty of opportunity to go back if he needed to but he misread it completely. You can't pin that one on Gibbs.

That was my read on it as well. He had time and space to move into to take the mark. Just had to want it more.

Stupid thing is if we get that goal we are 11 points down with momentum, time to spare and a very flakey opponent.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:53 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
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I'm over carrying duds like BB and Graham, who've both had ample chances to make it.
Their time is up at the end of the year.
Pickett only on his 6th AFL game with a limited pre season. Give the kid a break.


Boeky, smedts and graham were all terrible, and a significant downgrade on fisher, cuningham and Williamson, which is both an indictment on those coming in and a compliment for the new guys who are out injured.

Boeky is too soft and doesn't work hard enough, and even when he does isn't that damaging.

Smedts is just a nothing player. Was a salary dump so not too concerned

Graham tries hard but is really just a ooor mans Brock McLean


This.

SPS and Pickett will make it, could be very good players, early days. Shows how thin our list is when we suffer injuries.

We are getting there, defence good, forward line not so much.

Did anyone notice how many players in all games this weekend were slipping over? Might be time to rethink what sort of boots you are wearing boys.

Interesting how little was made by the commentators of the Houli incident. Normally BT would just about be swallowing the microphone in excitement (WOWEEE!) over such an incident.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:57 am 
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You wouldn't want to culturally misappropriate a round house chop to the side of the head now would you.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:01 am 
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Nobody wants to be the guy who criticises the darling of AFL multiculturalism on the eve of his date with the Prime Minister.

Houli says it wasn't intentional, and I believe him. It's just his running style - watch him at training, you'll see what I mean:



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:41 am 
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I called Houli a dirty dog and got the evil eye from those all around me.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:42 am 
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GWS wrote:
New captain please.

Has to be Paddy.


You're not the only one GWS.

I'm tired of expecting Murph to perform week in week out.
He has lost his evasive skills...hardly noticed him.

I'm not happy with Murphy as captain.
Cripps works like a captain. He's a leader of men.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:57 am 
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WA Blue wrote:
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Murphy gone as captain. Give it to Cripps or Docherty. In fact trade Murphy whilst he still has some currency.


Pathetic post. You'd have been cheering Murphy over the last two months. Changing captain maybe, trading unlikely...


I think Murphy has had a good year as an outside linking player. He has starred in 3 games, not 2 months.
As for his leadership in battle, I think you may have noticed there's a lot of Carlton supporters who see Murphy as soft.
Have a look at players like Cripps, Simpson Docherty and Gibbs and they show a willingness for the contest and don't go missing for long periods.
They also show leadership.

I expect more than 3 great games from my captain.

Face it. He went missing again.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:25 pm 
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Spot on Bondi.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:35 pm 
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Excluding yesterday's game, Murphy is our leading vote getter in the AFLCA award.


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