Jones can relief ruck and KJ is a better kick and swingman. A better balanced team.

Sunday 3.20pm at Etihad though

Jones is playing his best footy lately as a key defender. He's never been as good as casboult as a key forward. Replacing Casboult with Jones would gain us nothing and probably leave the team worse off.

Yep.

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Who said Jones should play forward ?

My bad, I assumed.

So you'd relief ruck with a key defender? Given Rowe usually has around 100% game time that would leave us quite exposed every time Jones had to ruck.

So either way the idea doesn't seem to work.

Keep reading and you'll see the bit where I said KJ can swing back when Jones is relief rucking.

Keep reading and you'll see the bit where I said KJ can swing back when Jones is relief rucking.[/quote]

In this conversation all you said "Jones can relief ruck and KJ is a better kick and swingman". That is what I was responding too. But I see you have a slightly different post elsewhere.

Regardless I still don't agree with swapping key defenders in and out regularly during a game. This tactic should be a once a game thing if you are in trouble. It definitely doesn't give you a "balanced" team.

So we can agree to disagree.

I never thought I'd say this as I had this bloke consigned to the bin of bad trade history, but Jones for Rowe, Palmer for Thomas and maybe Weitering and Silvagni out as they both copped knocks that left them looking a little average.
North are definitely gettable, it just depends on wether the young blokes have enough left in them coming into the bye, the kids do look tired

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Goldstein absolutely smashed us last time. Centre clearances, 17-6. Not just the number but the quality of them.
He gave their mids absolute silver service.
From memory Gorringe may have rucked as Kruezer and Phillips may have been injured. They only had 3 more inside 50s but the quality of them was chalk and cheese.
That has to be our main focus.

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Nathan Hrovat will torch us on Sunday

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Don't need another tall to replace Rowe. Weitering Marchbank Silvagni with Plowman is more then enough talls in the backline but we desperately need a small defender to come in and take the pressure off the 190cm+ rotation of defenders that keep chasing quick forwards.

NB have 2 byes
BB missed this week. If he doesn't play this week it's a month no footy.
My guess BB will come in for SPS gives him two week break
I'd give willo this week or GWS game off for two week break same with fisher
Jones for Rowe
Macrradie for willo
BB for sps
Lamb for fish

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Two strong views I have:
1) Don't drop Casboult - I can't see them dropping him and nor should they. He didn't play particularly well but still presented and still kicked two goals.

2) Leave Kruezer as sole ruckman. His value around the ground FAR outweighs any value we could possibly get from Phillips or Gorringe in the centre bounce. a) Neither of them would have done any better in the taps against Sandi and nor will they against Goldstein. b) Neither of them will get 20+ possessions, 5 marks and 10 contested possessions. (In fact, whilst Sandi was amazing in the taps simply b/c he is so tall and good at that, he only had 11 possessions, zero marks and 4 contested possessions...). Bringing in another ruckman would diminish our ability around the ground and our speed as well.

Incidentally, it is in our interests to have these guys up and playing well - both are lifting their value to us and the value we could extract for a trade end of year, which gives us more options to get more out of the draft, which we need.
If we could get a 1st round pick for Kruezer or a 2nd rounder for Levi, I'd do it. (Although, I don't think it would be worth it to trade them for less than that...).

I'm sure argument b) is correct. But it doesn't follow that argument a) is correct. Kreuzer's a far better all-round player than Phillips. But he's an inferior centre-bounce ruckman.

And let's leave Gorringe out of the discussion. Unfortunately he's absolutely useless as a ruckman. He fears body contact.

Kruezer is a much better player this year

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I thought yesterday were perfect conditions for him to excel. Not to be. His kicking was ordinary too.

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Don't worry, it aint going to happen.

We need to the two big bodies of Rowe and Casboult on either end.
Some don't agree, but both having a great season.
Rowe was and will be missed.

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True - argument (a) is not necessarily correct b/c as you say Phillips is arguably a better tap ruckman. However, my conclusion is based on the likelihood that any difference would be marginal in effect against the much better tapwork of both Sandi & Goldy. The overall point is that I think we are better off in total with Kruezer tha with either Phillips or Gorringe. Hopefully, Phillips can continue to improve overall in time like late-blooming many ruckmen have done before.
But right now, I'd say Kruezer is having his best season for the past 5 or 6 years and possibly ever. And I think he'd be in the top 3 or 4 ruckmen in the comp over the year so far (obviously in my opinion...).

Jones got injured very late in the Sandy game, so I wouldn't assume he is available at this stage.

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