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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 11:38 am 
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Effes wrote:
His name is Jack Steven, not Jack Stevens.


Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Steven

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 12:46 pm 
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Effes wrote:
His name is Jack Steven, not Jack Stevens.


I don't trust him now


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 1:27 pm 
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choo wrote:
Effes wrote:
His name is Jack Steven, not Jack Stevens.


Pity we can't play Yarren on him

maybe his name is Seven, but rooTsy changed it?

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 2:00 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
I have an irrational dislike of Alan Richardson for some reason.

Just thought I would share that.

I don't mind Richardson, but I do dislike St Kilda :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 5:21 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I have an irrational dislike of Alan Richardson for some reason.

Just thought I would share that.


Your completely valid feelings aside, I think he is a great coach and the primary reason why the Saints are doing so well at the moment compared to, say, the Demons who I think have a much better list of players.
And this highlights the reason why a bunch of high draft picks does not guarantee success (e.g. Carlton, Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast) and teams can achieve/maintain great success without many high picks (e.g. Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong, Adelaide).

I think that the most important member of Hawthorn's dynasty was/is Clarkson who has adapted a game plan to suit his players and the times, and motivated the group to execute it and maintain the right winning intensity.

Similarly, Bolton is the most essential driver of our rebuild including teaching the players and developing a successful culture. SOS is playing a great role getting the right kids in the door. But who's to say that we'd have been able to debut 6 new players this season with a different coach in charge (think Malthouse, Pagan?). Who's to say that some of those high draft pick duds we've taken over the past 10 years couldn't have become great players with a better coach and club culture?
Yes, it looks like now we are placing more of a premium on mental application in our draftees rather than pure talent (Yarran, Menzel come to mind...). But I suspect that Bolton is playing an important role there as well.


A great coach? Really?

Only one great coach in the system at the minute and as much as I hate him that's A Clarkson.

A Richardson has a fair way to go to being labelled "great".


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 5:52 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I have an irrational dislike of Alan Richardson for some reason.

Just thought I would share that.


Your completely valid feelings aside, I think he is a great coach and the primary reason why the Saints are doing so well at the moment compared to, say, the Demons who I think have a much better list of players.
And this highlights the reason why a bunch of high draft picks does not guarantee success (e.g. Carlton, Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast) and teams can achieve/maintain great success without many high picks (e.g. Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong, Adelaide).

I think that the most important member of Hawthorn's dynasty was/is Clarkson who has adapted a game plan to suit his players and the times, and motivated the group to execute it and maintain the right winning intensity.

Similarly, Bolton is the most essential driver of our rebuild including teaching the players and developing a successful culture. SOS is playing a great role getting the right kids in the door. But who's to say that we'd have been able to debut 6 new players this season with a different coach in charge (think Malthouse, Pagan?). Who's to say that some of those high draft pick duds we've taken over the past 10 years couldn't have become great players with a better coach and club culture?
Yes, it looks like now we are placing more of a premium on mental application in our draftees rather than pure talent (Yarran, Menzel come to mind...). But I suspect that Bolton is playing an important role there as well.


A great coach? Really?

Only one great coach in the system at the minute and as much as I hate him that's A Clarkson.

A Richardson has a fair way to go to being labelled "great".


Fair enough - I should have clearly articulated my carefully thought out, tested, verified and universally endorsed criteria.
But I am happy to see that you have complete confidence in your universally accepted definition of 'great' and I accept your god-like ruling on the valid uses of 'great' as a word, both formally and informally.

Just to be clear, I was not using the word 'great' to denote he is a clearly accepted 'great of the game' - where, for example, one might include Wayne Carey or Kevin Sheedy but exclude Nick Reiwoldt or Denis Pagan.
I was using it as one might within a casual conversation where there is no restriction on the number of 'greats' and there is no formal qualification required either.
More like 'I had a great time at the footy on the weekend', even though my joy has not been independently assessed by an international panel nor compared to my feelings at the 1999 prelim or the 1995 grand final.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:11 pm 
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great post seventeen.... I think?????

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ST KILDA
In: M.Weller, L.Dunstan
Out: K.Stevens (suspension), N.Wright

CARLTON
In: J.Silvagni, Z.Fisher
Out: B.Smedts, S.Kerridge

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very predictable , not bad

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:31 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I have an irrational dislike of Alan Richardson for some reason.

Just thought I would share that.


Your completely valid feelings aside, I think he is a great coach and the primary reason why the Saints are doing so well at the moment compared to, say, the Demons who I think have a much better list of players.
And this highlights the reason why a bunch of high draft picks does not guarantee success (e.g. Carlton, Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast) and teams can achieve/maintain great success without many high picks (e.g. Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong, Adelaide).

I think that the most important member of Hawthorn's dynasty was/is Clarkson who has adapted a game plan to suit his players and the times, and motivated the group to execute it and maintain the right winning intensity.

Similarly, Bolton is the most essential driver of our rebuild including teaching the players and developing a successful culture. SOS is playing a great role getting the right kids in the door. But who's to say that we'd have been able to debut 6 new players this season with a different coach in charge (think Malthouse, Pagan?). Who's to say that some of those high draft pick duds we've taken over the past 10 years couldn't have become great players with a better coach and club culture?
Yes, it looks like now we are placing more of a premium on mental application in our draftees rather than pure talent (Yarran, Menzel come to mind...). But I suspect that Bolton is playing an important role there as well.


A great coach? Really?

Only one great coach in the system at the minute and as much as I hate him that's A Clarkson.

A Richardson has a fair way to go to being labelled "great".


Fair enough - I should have clearly articulated my carefully thought out, tested, verified and universally endorsed criteria.
But I am happy to see that you have complete confidence in your universally accepted definition of 'great' and I accept your god-like ruling on the valid uses of 'great' as a word, both formally and informally.

Just to be clear, I was not using the word 'great' to denote he is a clearly accepted 'great of the game' - where, for example, one might include Wayne Carey or Kevin Sheedy but exclude Nick Reiwoldt or Denis Pagan.
I was using it as one might within a casual conversation where there is no restriction on the number of 'greats' and there is no formal qualification required either.
More like 'I had a great time at the footy on the weekend', even though my joy has not been independently assessed by an international panel nor compared to my feelings at the 1999 prelim or the 1995 grand final.


I was just thinking the other day that Collingwood had the best development program in the afl by a mile. They had their rookie school and that program was run by Alan Richardson. Collingwood program is now a shadow of what it used to be.

Richardson came to us but was hampered in his effectiveness by several factors including shit recruiting programs.

Now at StKilda he is blossoming as coach of young men and getting great results. In fact IMO the ain't are playing the best footy in the comp

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:43 pm 
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Smedts and Kerridge out.

Silvagni and Fisher in.

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Good inclusions for an Etihad game.

Jack has a naturally quick footy mind when he wanders up the ground and Fish has the hustle and bustle.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:49 pm 
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Happy enough with the changes however would have liked to see Cunningham get a run.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:51 pm 
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Good, logical changes. I like it.

Kerridge and Smedts were pretty clearly the least effective players against the filth. Good to have more kids back in.
More chances of someone having a breakout game. Who will get the rising star nod this week?
Curnow, Williamson, Silvagni, or Fisher?

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Humpers wrote:
Happy enough with the changes however would have liked to see Cunningham get a run.


Bolts hasn't hesitated to play the kids this year. I'd say there's a reason he's being held back.
They clearly want to see something in particular from him before he gets a game.
Hopefully it just makes him hungrier and tears up the 2's this week

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jake_h03 wrote:
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Happy enough with the changes however would have liked to see Cunningham get a run.


Bolts hasn't hesitated to play the kids this year. I'd say there's a reason he's being held back.
They clearly want to see something in particular from him before he gets a game.
Hopefully it just makes him hungrier and tears up the 2's this week


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:02 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
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Happy enough with the changes however would have liked to see Cunningham get a run.


Bolts hasn't hesitated to play the kids this year. I'd say there's a reason he's being held back.
They clearly want to see something in particular from him before he gets a game.
Hopefully it just makes him hungrier and tears up the 2's this week


composure with the ball


Thanks Rex. I haven't watched much 2's this year but that makes sense. If so, I'm happy for them to make him wait

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:10 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Happy enough with the changes however would have liked to see Cunningham get a run.

Named as an emergency
Still some doubt on Jack getting up.
So I am told.
But unlike the Malthouse years usually the side thst gets selected Thursday is the one that lines up

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Rexy wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Happy enough with the changes however would have liked to see Cunningham get a run.


Bolts hasn't hesitated to play the kids this year. I'd say there's a reason he's being held back.
They clearly want to see something in particular from him before he gets a game.
Hopefully it just makes him hungrier and tears up the 2's this week


composure with the ball


Yeah, that reckless bombing of goals from the centre clearance must be annoying the hell out of the match committee :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:24 pm 
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I'd be curious as to how this team compares to the one that was obliterated by Aints in the NAB series.


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