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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 2:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:16 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:16 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Easy to go with a NO CHANGE call.

But Jack Silvagni and Fisher are ready to resume their spot.

Then there's

Cuningham Jones and Boekhurst knocking.

Macreadie is a suitor but slipped out view.
GWS boys Jaksch and Philips are coming back.
Not too far away is Sheehan and Byrne.

We have pressure on spots.

Backline is a well oiled machine even without Weitering, so Macreadie,Jaksch and Jones are out of contention IMO

OUT
Smedts was least effective imo 2 kicks 1 tackle
Kerridge next, less effective with 6 kicks, but with 9 tackles and his first half was fantastic.
White only 1 tackle and 7 kicks. He's excess height for Saints IMO

Graham was last in but did well. IMO he is too slow for Etihad against Saints, but he only just got in, and played well.
I thought Graham was more effective than Thomas.

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Silvagni, lead up forward.
Fisher, Cuningham midfield speed.

Nice having depth.
Add the likes of pickett and LeBois back in the mix.


I agree with almost everything you've said. The only fear I have is the idea of dropping White despite your statement that the backline is a "well oiled machine". I wouldn't disrupt it. But I guess it wouldn't be 'TalkingCarlton' if people weren't calling weekly for poor Simon to be dropped. Haha.

GO BLUES!!!!


I can't work out where White is playing.
I've named other players who I think were less effective than White, and, I didn't nominate White to be dropped.

With all those players knocking on the door, and there's all types, White would have to be in the gun, and probably why he's playing better this year.
You'd have to be very bias if you can't see the most vulnerable players from our starting 22 last week, and not think White is one of 5 most vulnerable.

If Rowe, Marchbank, Silvagni and Plowman are our talls, then that's plenty
Docherty and Williamson our small and medium defenders.
Where's White playing?

Nothing to do with White, but I question the number of talls we have, and I consider all of them, including White, with the exception of Rowe, as being mobile.

White is having a good year, but he needs to keep it up or he'll lose his spot ...same with anyone.
Against that backdrop Carlton have a good chance against the Saints.


I agree with you that after nominating the players who are pushing for selection with good form that White would be one of several under pressure. I understand and agree with that point.

However you listed White as one of three players under the heading OUT and then listed three players under the heading IN. Therefore I thought you were calling for him to be dropped but I probably took you to literally.

Like I said I agree with you generally. It was a good post.


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:45 pm 
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White is filling the role OK at the moment but his disposal is poor. Throws it on the boot too often without assessing his options. He'll probably fill the role until a better option comes along. (A fit Byrne)

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:22 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crippa wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Easy to go with a NO CHANGE call.

But Jack Silvagni and Fisher are ready to resume their spot.

Then there's

Cuningham Jones and Boekhurst knocking.

Macreadie is a suitor but slipped out view.
GWS boys Jaksch and Philips are coming back.
Not too far away is Sheehan and Byrne.

We have pressure on spots.

Backline is a well oiled machine even without Weitering, so Macreadie,Jaksch and Jones are out of contention IMO

OUT
Smedts was least effective imo 2 kicks 1 tackle
Kerridge next, less effective with 6 kicks, but with 9 tackles and his first half was fantastic.
White only 1 tackle and 7 kicks. He's excess height for Saints IMO

Graham was last in but did well. IMO he is too slow for Etihad against Saints, but he only just got in, and played well.
I thought Graham was more effective than Thomas.

IN
Silvagni, lead up forward.
Fisher, Cuningham midfield speed.

Nice having depth.
Add the likes of pickett and LeBois back in the mix.


I agree with almost everything you've said. The only fear I have is the idea of dropping White despite your statement that the backline is a "well oiled machine". I wouldn't disrupt it. But I guess it wouldn't be 'TalkingCarlton' if people weren't calling weekly for poor Simon to be dropped. Haha.

GO BLUES!!!!


I can't work out where White is playing.
I've named other players who I think were less effective than White, and, I didn't nominate White to be dropped.

With all those players knocking on the door, and there's all types, White would have to be in the gun, and probably why he's playing better this year.
You'd have to be very bias if you can't see the most vulnerable players from our starting 22 last week, and not think White is one of 5 most vulnerable.

If Rowe, Marchbank, Silvagni and Plowman are our talls, then that's plenty
Docherty and Williamson our small and medium defenders.
Where's White playing?

Nothing to do with White, but I question the number of talls we have, and I consider all of them, including White, with the exception of Rowe, as being mobile.

White is having a good year, but he needs to keep it up or he'll lose his spot ...same with anyone.
Against that backdrop Carlton have a good chance against the Saints.


I agree with you that after nominating the players who are pushing for selection with good form that White would be one of several under pressure. I understand and agree with that point.

However you listed White as one of three players under the heading OUT and then listed three players under the heading IN. Therefore I thought you were calling for him to be dropped but I probably took you to literally.

Like I said I agree with you generally. It was a good post.


Conundrum.

You read my posts. Damn. Can't get away with speaking the usual incognito shit.

Funny I was thinking Thomas OUT yet the Freudian slip suggested White bits. I have a dirty mind.

Nevertheless White's in THAT group of 5 I suggested are vulnerable to those knocking on the door or coming back from injury.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:23 pm 
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So, where has White been playing in the first 7 rounds?

Especially when Macreadie was playing.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:44 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
White is filling the role OK at the moment but his disposal is poor. Throws it on the boot too often without assessing his options. He'll probably fill the role until a better option comes along. (A fit Byrne)


Maybe Macreadie


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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:14 pm 
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Despite another high possession VFL game I dont think Blaine is likely after all. The coach's summary of his game includes that he "is continuing to build consistency" and "is still working hard on detail around stoppages and contests." They will want him to work on those things in the VFL not seniors.

My read of Fraser's summary is only Cunners, Macreadie and Jones are in suitable form to warrant consideration. All others are "building well" or "working hard" or "gave us glimpses" which isn't enough for a call up. That includes KJ, Harry and Buckley.

I assume Fish and SOS will return if they pass their fitness tests.

So despite being in great form, there doesn't seem to be a spot for Jones at present.

Disclaimer: unlike the last couple of weeks I didn't see the Northern game this week so I am just reading into the coaches summary of their performances. :grin:


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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 3:56 pm 
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Clearances and contested ball are the key. Teams that have troubled the Saints don't allow them ball from the stoppages. Melbourne ramped up the clearances after quarter time against the Saints and took the game away from them. Cripps will be the key.
The Saints have a few front runners who can punish you attacking side of the stoppages. That's not to undervalue their hardness. They're tackling well this year but they can rip your defence to shreds if you let them have clear air running toward goal.
This will be a huge challenge for our group.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 6:20 pm 
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All the positive vibes about us this week make nervous.

Plus saints are clearly a better inside 50, scoring, and clearance team. They've shaken on the Hawks hoodoo and beaten GWS by being harder workers.

Keep within 4 goals would be a big achievement for us.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 1:56 am 
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Silvagni will go to Reiwoldt and do OK.
We are more vulnerable to pace.
Stevens killed us last time. Someone will have to try and slow him down. He's too fast for Curnow so I don't know who it would be.
We have to win the clearances as someone else pointed out so we get our fair share of I50s.
I'm thinking SPS might decide he is worthy of being in the team and turn on another blinder.
I, like many others am waiting for Charlie Curnow to explode. It's getting closer every week.

Can't see us winning but we can't afford another blowout like v Port.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 4:11 am 
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This game's all about the midfield, and that's where they got us last year.

GWS had a severely depleted defence last week, and because the Aints got on top in the middle, they were able to score.

Our advantage is having a settled back six, but if our mids get beaten, St Kilda has the ability to get it inside fifty quickly. They're not especially fast, but move the ball swiftly if given latitude.

The other key to winning will be to shut down Roberton. He is the pivot who sets up so many of their attacks with his accurate and penetrating kicks.

It's worth noting that when they flogged us last year it was at the MCG, and our record is ok against them at Etihad recently.

Don't know if we'll win, but I'm wary of over-estimating them, and the same about under-estimating how far we've come. If we bring the same intensity as we did against Sydney we're a show.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:12 am 
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They took us to pieces in rd 12 at Etihad last year & our season never recovered. We were in pretty good form going into that game.

They had a few injuries if memory serves, but Richardson had us pretty well worked out that day. I'm sure Bolton will be all over it this time!

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:58 am 
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I have an irrational dislike of Alan Richardson for some reason.

Just thought I would share that.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:29 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
I have an irrational dislike of Alan Richardson for some reason.

Just thought I would share that.


Your completely valid feelings aside, I think he is a great coach and the primary reason why the Saints are doing so well at the moment compared to, say, the Demons who I think have a much better list of players.
And this highlights the reason why a bunch of high draft picks does not guarantee success (e.g. Carlton, Melbourne, Brisbane, Gold Coast) and teams can achieve/maintain great success without many high picks (e.g. Hawthorn, Sydney, Geelong, Adelaide).

I think that the most important member of Hawthorn's dynasty was/is Clarkson who has adapted a game plan to suit his players and the times, and motivated the group to execute it and maintain the right winning intensity.

Similarly, Bolton is the most essential driver of our rebuild including teaching the players and developing a successful culture. SOS is playing a great role getting the right kids in the door. But who's to say that we'd have been able to debut 6 new players this season with a different coach in charge (think Malthouse, Pagan?). Who's to say that some of those high draft pick duds we've taken over the past 10 years couldn't have become great players with a better coach and club culture?
Yes, it looks like now we are placing more of a premium on mental application in our draftees rather than pure talent (Yarran, Menzel come to mind...). But I suspect that Bolton is playing an important role there as well.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 9:52 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Silvagni will go to Reiwoldt and do OK.
We are more vulnerable to pace.
Stevens killed us last time. Someone will have to try and slow him down. He's too fast for Curnow so I don't know who it would be.
We have to win the clearances as someone else pointed out so we get our fair share of I50s.
I'm thinking SPS might decide he is worthy of being in the team and turn on another blinder.
I, like many others am waiting for Charlie Curnow to explode. It's getting closer every week.

Can't see us winning but we can't afford another blowout like v Port.


A hard tag from Curnow would deny Stevens the ball.
No ball = No one running away with the ball.

I have a good feeling about this game too, now that Kreuzer is finally up and running freely.
The recipe is straight forward imo.

Midfield of Kreuzer, Cripps, Gibbs, and Curnow is enough strength and skill to help us win hard ball gets/ clearances.
Possibly add strength of Kerridge, White and Graham to that mix.

Then add outside speed, (and great skills in close) of Murphy, Simpson, Samo, Fisher and possibly Cuningham.
Possibly added able support to midfield from Thomas and Charlie Curnow for depth.

I can see us winning the clearances this time round.

Last time, Gorringe was embarrassing and didn't put up a fight in the ruck, which gave gave Saints a free ride, and Stevens had clear space allowed for him to run in, goal side. Repetitively.
I don't think that is going to happen.

Back 6 will hold Membrey and Bruce this time. Membrey aint going to score 5 goals this time.

Blues by 13 points...reserve right to change when teams are announced

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:26 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
All the positive vibes about us this week make nervous.

Plus saints are clearly a better inside 50, scoring, and clearance team. They've shaken on the Hawks hoodoo and beaten GWS by being harder workers.

Keep within 4 goals would be a big achievement for us.



Agree It's a bit unnerving we'll go in positive and do our best the Saints are quality opposition no doubt about it , I'm certain there'll be mutual respect.
Loving the upward trend the excitment , just amazing, it's been stagnant for so long one is not sure how to handle it.
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His name is Jack Steven, not Jack Stevens.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 11:10 am 
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His name is Jack Steven, not Jack Stevens.


Pity we can't play Yarren on him

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