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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 2:02 pm 
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I don't think any of our young guys should play if even slightly sore.

Too often we've driven our kids into the ground because we've had no quality to replace them with, which we can at least stop now. At the first sign of trouble, cotton wool.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 2:09 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I don't think any of our young guys should play if even slightly sore.

Too often we've driven our kids into the ground because we've had no quality to replace them with, which we can at least stop now. At the first sign of trouble, cotton wool.


Agreed. It's a little bit of a concern how regularly Weitering seems to be getting knocks and having to play out games sore.
I don't think we're necessarily doing anything wrong, just had a bit of bad luck

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 2:28 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I don't think any of our young guys should play if even slightly sore.

Too often we've driven our kids into the ground because we've had no quality to replace them with, which we can at least stop now. At the first sign of trouble, cotton wool.

It sounds like Bolton is keen to see how much they can 'endure' pain and push their pain threshold throughout a match, if its only soreness i.e. a corky.


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 2:31 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
I don't think any of our young guys should play if even slightly sore.

Too often we've driven our kids into the ground because we've had no quality to replace them with, which we can at least stop now. At the first sign of trouble, cotton wool.


I think that is fair, to a point. I don't mind giving the young'ns a rest after a few weeks of hard toil and soreness.
However, it is also good for them to see that they can work through a bit of soreness or niggles. Otherwise, they may develop doubt about whether they can perform if not 100%.
You'd hope the docs would know the diff b/w working through a niggle or an injury that won't get any worse, and playing when clearly unfit or at the risk of further acute or accumulated injury.

If I'm not mistaken, Cripps, Murphy and Weitering (& Gibbs) all performed pretty well after a week of speculation about their fitness. Collingwood came up after a 5 day break to beat an unbeaten Geelong.
Meanwhile, Gary Ablett Jnr has taken 2 years to overcome a post-surgery shoulder niggle. (Ok, I exaggerate but you get the picture).


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 3:20 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
They (Collingwood) killed Geelong in the clearances - not a bad effort considering who Geelong have in the middle. I think we will have to work pretty hard to beat them. Was surprised that they looked much more energetic than the cats given the short break from Anzac Day. Must be feeling it...

Who? Oh yeah, Dangerfield and Selwood.
Yes, not a duo to be taken lightly. But as I suspected, they were kept put of the game. Selwood was tagged and who knows where Dangerfield was.
They're a two man team in the end. Keep both of them quiet, and then it's bye bye Geelong, the Cats scat.
It's a reliance that smells of the Richmond reliance on Richardson and Ottens in 2001. A deadly key forward duo, but they were way too reliant on them for goals.
Credit where credit is due to Buckley for his team's successful attempts to keep the Geelong superstars out of it; but that's the sign I thought about Geelong. Overrated.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 3:21 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I don't think any of our young guys should play if even slightly sore.

Too often we've driven our kids into the ground because we've had no quality to replace them with, which we can at least stop now. At the first sign of trouble, cotton wool.


I think that is fair, to a point. I don't mind giving the young'ns a rest after a few weeks of hard toil and soreness.
However, it is also good for them to see that they can work through a bit of soreness or niggles. Otherwise, they may develop doubt about whether they can perform if not 100%.
You'd hope the docs would know the diff b/w working through a niggle or an injury that won't get any worse, and playing when clearly unfit or at the risk of further acute or accumulated injury.

If I'm not mistaken, Cripps, Murphy and Weitering (& Gibbs) all performed pretty well after a week of speculation about their fitness. Collingwood came up after a 5 day break to beat an unbeaten Geelong.
Meanwhile, Gary Ablett Jnr has taken 2 years to overcome a post-surgery shoulder niggle. (Ok, I exaggerate but you get the picture).

We're a real chance for a win this week and to be very blunt, I would try and play them this week.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 4:53 pm 
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Out: J.Silvagni Weitering White

In: Kerr Jaksch Buckley


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:21 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Out: J.Silvagni Weitering White

In: Kerr Jaksch Buckley


Don't agree sorry

I would think about Boeky for his run. Think he's a good player and handy vs the pies at the G.

Think SOJ might get up.


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:29 pm 
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Blue Boys wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I don't think any of our young guys should play if even slightly sore.

Too often we've driven our kids into the ground because we've had no quality to replace them with, which we can at least stop now. At the first sign of trouble, cotton wool.

It sounds like Bolton is keen to see how much they can 'endure' pain and push their pain threshold throughout a match, if its only soreness i.e. a corky.

True.

On second thought soreness is fine, as long as it's not the sort of thing that can lead to anything more serious long-term if pushed. I trust that our medicos are more tuned in than those previously at the club.

These kids are the club's most valuable assets right now, and shouldn't be put at unnecessary risk while still developing.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:21 pm 
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would you ever consider replacing SOJ with Jones (rather than Kerr) for a short spell given the number of kids we have playing atm?


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:41 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
would you ever consider replacing SOJ with Jones (rather than Kerr) for a short spell given the number of kids we have playing atm?


This week, I would.


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 8:56 pm 
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Out SOJ, FISHER, maybe Weitering, Smedts
In JONES, BOEKHURST, Thomas, Kerridge

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:04 pm 
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If we lose this week I won't be too surprised.

Collingwood have actually been fielding a very old and experienced team this year, not sure how they have done so badly so far!

Look at the duds/average players they have brought in.

Wells - 32
Dunn - 29
Greenwood - 28
Varcoe - 29
Howe - 26

Plus Mayne in VFL -28

Does Buckley think they are in the premiership window?

Going nowhere.


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:10 pm 
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coffee man wrote:
If we lose this week I won't be too surprised.

Collingwood have actually been fielding a very old and experienced team this year, not sure how they have done so badly so far!

Look at the duds/average players they have brought in.

Wells - 32
Dunn - 29
Greenwood - 28
Varcoe - 29
Howe - 26

Plus Mayne in VFL -28

Does Buckley think they are in the premiership window?

Going nowhere.

Even the more delusional meedya types would have to consider that our list management strategy will be more successful than theirs.

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:29 pm 
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After 15 kicks, 11 marks and 3 goals if SOJ is out Kerr is the man I'd put in.


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 9:31 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
coffee man wrote:
If we lose this week I won't be too surprised.

Collingwood have actually been fielding a very old and experienced team this year, not sure how they have done so badly so far!

Look at the duds/average players they have brought in.

Wells - 32
Dunn - 29
Greenwood - 28
Varcoe - 29
Howe - 26

Plus Mayne in VFL -28

Does Buckley think they are in the premiership window?

Going nowhere.

Even the more delusional meedya types would have to consider that our list management strategy will be more successful than theirs.


Not Lloydy - only Carlton has retreads.


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 10:18 pm 
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I can't see why Carlton couldn't beat the Pies this Saturday.

The stats Pies players generated against Geelong were good, but they haven't been doing that week in week out.
They have a soft under belly IMO

Based on last weeks win over Sydney I would think its no change for starters.

NO CHANGE.

Only read JSOS has been announced as unlikely.

OUT: J.Silvagni (mobile forward/3rd tall)

IN: I suspect Boekhurst will be brought back into the fold.

Just taking a stab based on a patterns of selection I've seen of the MC.

I can't see it being Thomas, or Kerridge, because he may have met KPIs consistently fo a good period.
Boekhurst seems to have more defensive side to his game this year.

I can't wait to come to Melb next week just to see up close: Boeky, McKay, Jones, Jaksch, Cuningham, Polson, Macreadie...because I don't know what to believe coz they all sound so tantalising.

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 4:10 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
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Fisher doesnt get up - in Boekhorst
Weitering doesnt get up - in Jaksch
Smedts doesnt get up - in Thomas
Silvagni doesnt get up - in Kerr

Macredie is to come back in - out White

Why would White get dropped. The entire back six played really well on Saturday.

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 3:33 pm 
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I'm a little concerned that the backline is too tall, and as such we may bring in Buckley as a small defender.


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