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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:07 pm 
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It's a bit doomsday around here. Thought we were good. Every single Melbourne supporter would be pretty pissed off as we are meant to be the Easy Beats.


It may seem that way, but everyone is sticking Phat and that's why we're hear.

Sometimes comes across as doomsday but I see we aren't far away, as in 2-3 years.

When your senior/ bst/ leadership players create the coach killers you have to say what you see when the cameras point at Bolton.

Turnovers hurt us. Period

Senior players were not exempt.
There's a problem with that.
Tha's all. Not doom and gloom.

I shot the Sharrif but I didn't shoot the deputy

He hit the front in the 3rd Q.
5 Goals in a row :eek:

Green shoots.
Seniors need to sharpen their sword considering the season has started.
Lead us to victories we could have.
I'm not interested in tanking: False economy

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:12 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
MIL wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
It's a bit doomsday around here. Thought we were good. Every single Melbourne supporter would be pretty pissed off as we are meant to be the Easy Beats.


Pissed off with a 5 goal win and 2-0 ?

Na.


5 goal win?


Yeah my bad....realised after post. Still reckon they ain't spewing though. They're Dees fans after all !!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:25 pm 
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MIL wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
MIL wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
It's a bit doomsday around here. Thought we were good. Every single Melbourne supporter would be pretty pissed off as we are meant to be the Easy Beats.


Pissed off with a 5 goal win and 2-0 ?

Na.


5 goal win?


Yeah my bad....realised after post. Still reckon they ain't spewing though. They're Dees fans after all !!


Schwartz will pretend he's not spewing but deep down will be worried. That sort of effort will mean wreck and ruin against many others including fellow cellar dwellers Hawthorn and Sydney.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:28 pm 
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Pros:

Thought Murphy actually was our best player - there you go everyone has different views. His errors were costly but it must be a hard gig when you are targeted and the support is not strong
Wright got a bit of it and kicked three goals
Our defence held up relatively well. Stoked for MacCreadie who wasn't flustered

Cons:
Kreuzer was well beaten today. Gawn very influential. We needed Kreuz to nullify him somewhat
Weitering looks to be labouring. Rest him if he needs it
Charlie looked lost. He was matched on Harmes for a while and thought he may have done better
Forward pressure was lacking. Dees got a lot of drive from Jetta, Harmes et al
Skill level was poor


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:49 pm 
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Charlie Curnow is struggling, but glandular fever can be quite debilitating for some, I suspect he's still feeling the effects


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:00 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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We seemed to have it under control until Casboult missed that 15m pass on the hff. He kills me. Gave away another stupid ruck infringement goal, missed that spoil on a player half his size and generally did nothing the rest of the game. We must stop playing him.

Murphy looks on the cusp of playing good football but is making lots of mistakes.

Our experienced players all had moments where they let the team down. Our younger players tired.

Hopefully Charley Curnow is just a bit off at the moment. He isn't doing half the defensive things he was doing last year. Bit of a witches hat this year.

I enjoyed the game nonetheless. Hopefully at regular intervals we can add more youth and excitement before the inevitable fade at seasons end.


Gee I hope Murphy picks up his game and get to the form he showed as Players choice as MVP.

I know he's good. I hope Murph gets back to best of breed.

He needs to be bold and break lines and keep the ball in our possession when not creating a scoring opportunity.
What's his meters gained?


I think a few, and myself included, forget that Murphy turns 30 y.o. this July. Can't believe the years have gone by so quickly but it probably isn't realistic to expect him to start producing career best form for the next 3 years...I suppose anything is possible (right, Simmo?)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:04 pm 
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Hogan is lucky he landed his punch on Rowe's cheek. It was bordering on Barry Hall territory.


and neither his punch, or Lewis' punch on Cripps was deemed worthy of a 50m penalty from memory.....I seem to recall players getting a 1 week suspension last year for a punch in the guts...and the head is supposed to be sacrosanct?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:47 pm 
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Charlie has been disappointing after what I thought was an encouraging JLT. Maybe put him up ground more and get him involved. Hope I'm wrong but I think Bolts has to be smart with him, he comes across as mentally weak, extremely talented but needs to be nurtured. Similar to Yarran & Menzel were.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:58 pm 
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Hibbo wrote:
Charlie has been disappointing after what I thought was an encouraging JLT. Maybe put him up ground more and get him involved. Hope I'm wrong but I think Bolts has to be smart with him, he comes across as mentally weak, extremely talented but needs to be nurtured. Similar to Yarran & Menzel were.


Doesn't seem to be a natural footballer. Athlete first. Bit like Kouta. Let's see what happens.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:27 pm 
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It wasn't just our forward entries that were poor...the forward structure was just all over the shop a lot of the time. We are missing a guy like Andrew Walker, who just knew where to go & position himself.

SPS did some nice things & will be a super player for us. Turned it over a bit early, but some great signs.

Let's face it it was a shit game & they turned it over a lot as well, but not as much as us. They aren't much better than us on the strength of that performance - they completely let us get on top in the middle part of the game. I actually thought we'd win it at one stage...but like GreatEx I think we lack that total killer instinct across the side.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:02 am 
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CK95 wrote:
It wasn't just our forward entries that were poor...the forward structure was just all over the shop a lot of the time. We are missing a guy like Andrew Walker, who just knew where to go & position himself.

SPS did some nice things & will be a super player for us. Turned it over a bit early, but some great signs.

Let's face it it was a shit game & they turned it over a lot as well, but not as much as us. They aren't much better than us on the strength of that performance - they completely let us get on top in the middle part of the game. I actually thought we'd win it at one stage...but like GreatEx I think we lack that total killer instinct across the side.


We lack class and the skill that goes with that. Weitering, SPS and Pickett have it and Marchbank, McReadie and Plowman not far behind.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:26 am 
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club29 wrote:
We seemed to have it under control until Casboult missed that 15m pass on the hff. He kills me. Gave away another stupid ruck infringement goal, missed that spoil on a player half his size and generally did nothing the rest of the game. We must stop playing him.[color=#BF4000]It was stupid because it wasn't a free. If the umpire throws the footy up and he stands his ground, it is not a free. Just saying about that particular one[/color]

Murphy looks on the cusp of playing good football but is making lots of mistakes.

Our experienced players all had moments where they let the team down. Our younger players tired.

Hopefully Charley Curnow is just a bit off at the moment. He isn't doing half the defensive things he was doing last year. Bit of a witches hat this year.

I enjoyed the game nonetheless. Hopefully at regular intervals we can add more youth and excitement before the inevitable fade at seasons end.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:28 am 
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Weitering is not fit as he cannot run.


Charlie is not fit as he cannot run either.



I am not giving answers as I don't know their medical conditions.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:26 am 
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We look a much better team when we slow it down a bit. We have too many players who just bang the ball on the boot or handball for the sake of it. When they stop and have a quick look up the ground we start to look dangerous ... of course until we get it into the F50.

What's the story with all our shot-shy forwards? Why do they always want to handball it on to someone else rather than just have a ping at the goals? I reckon 9/10 times we overuse the ball and simply give it back to the opposition. At least if you bang it onto your boot towards the goal you've got a 50/50 chance of a goal. Weitering especially appears to have no instinct for goal and just looks to give it off every time.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:59 am 
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Watching the footy over the last few years the standard of fitness is through the roof but you can't replace it with footy smarts. We have so many dumb footballers.

Also A lot of blokes would be better off practising their non dominant side kicking rather than having another meeting and recovery session.
Murphy left footer in the last.
Some of the kicking for goal from set shots is nothing short of putrid.
Hogan still ha a worse hand to foot drop than Casboult.

Don't get me wrong I love the game ,but it's ironic that in many ways despite all the advancements over the last 15 years some of the skills haven't advanced at all


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:24 am 
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Ponkstar wrote:
We look a much better team when we slow it down a bit. We have too many players who just bang the ball on the boot or handball for the sake of it. When they stop and have a quick look up the ground we start to look dangerous ... of course until we get it into the F50.

What's the story with all our shot-shy forwards? Why do they always want to handball it on to someone else rather than just have a ping at the goals? I reckon 9/10 times we overuse the ball and simply give it back to the opposition. At least if you bang it onto your boot towards the goal you've got a 50/50 chance of a goal. Weitering especially appears to have no instinct for goal and just looks to give it off every time.


Said the same thing to my son while we watched yesterday especially re Weiters. Can only presume it's trying to be unselfish when we really need somebody to take responsibility.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:58 am 
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disappointing yesterday. Thought we played too defensive and pushed too far up the ground.

Murphy-
I love Murphy, and he did pretty well yesterday, but starting to think we should pick another captain. In fact, releasing him as Captain could help ease the preasure on him and make him just focus on his role as an elite midfielder.
Id be looking to give the captaincy to Docherty.

SPS
SPS looks like a gun and i loved his celebration after kicking that goal. Well done kid! Keep it up.

Dale Bloody Thomas.
I couldn't give a stuff that he took a 'specky'! Who gives a toss. He is slow, turns it over and is taking a spot up on our list. Would rather play a baked potato over him.

Marchbank
Love this kid. And he is still just a kid. But he's a good pick up. Shows real poise in the backline and im confident he'll play 200 games in the Navy Blue.

Levi
Gotta go. He's role is to mark and crash packs and kick goals......... he's barely doing any of that!

JW
Send him back into defence. He's needed down there. Him alongside Marchbank is gonna be a very good backline.

Matthew Wright.
As much as it pains me to see Eddie killing it over in Adelaide, at least we got a decent player from them in Wright. 6 goals in 2 games. That's actually his third straight game with 3 goals (counting rnd 23 last year with Essendon*).
Was a good pick up that cost us bugger all.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:02 am 
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Talrahir wrote:
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Hogan is lucky he landed his punch on Rowe's cheek. It was bordering on Barry Hall territory.


and neither his punch, or Lewis' punch on Cripps was deemed worthy of a 50m penalty from memory.....I seem to recall players getting a 1 week suspension last year for a punch in the guts...and the head is supposed to be sacrosanct?

What is the bet that one or both of them get off with a fine?
That Lewis is a dirty dog, the commentators were trying to tell us that is was only a push. Leigh Matthews was the only one to say that it must have more than a push if Cripps was on the ground holding his head.


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You simply can't coach for turnovers. You can have all the structures and setups in the world but if you turn the ball over they mean 3/8ths of a Dean Wallis spreadsheet.

Execution and decision making by players is killing the coaching plans to my eyes.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:27 am 
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Much better yesterday in terms of defence etc but disposal from young old ordinary and skilled killed us again - cant turnover ball that many times and hope to win a game

Disappointing when for first 10 mins of last quarter had the whole of the play and kicked a point

forward line and method of getting into forward line abysmal

Wright our best

promising Plow Marchbank pickett SPS Macreadie

Ok but would hope they perform better -silvagni Curnow weitering

Murphy gibbs cripps simpson kreuzer smedts ok
must say I thought Rowe was pretty good

Armfield Thomas white - liabilities and need moving on - dismal and daisys hanger does not make up for multiple errors especially in first half

casboult just a touch better but very frustrating - don't short pass because you never hit a target

Docherty just ok but skill errors costly


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