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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:59 pm 
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if Casboult is our second ruck, dump him, I'd rather have a runner, let someone else relieve Kruise.
if Casboult is a key forward - as soon as we have a forward ready, dump him, he is not a key forward.
We should be looking for development to make us a better side,

I think the players I mentioned being replaced (by better players) would make us a significantly better side.
What was wrong with his work around the ground. Took more than double the marks Kreuzer did. I think back-up rucking is his role as he is not a natural forward.

Jim watch the game again he is clueless.
Name a KPF in the comp with 8 years in the system that is worse than Casboult.
The name a 2nd ruck with 8 years in the system that is worse than him.
He is no better now than when he first started.
There is no upside to him he simply doesn't get better

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:01 pm 
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He and Kreuz are the most tame big fellas in the game.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:08 pm 
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I'm part of the crew who thinks we should cut our loses on Casboult. Can't see what he really provides.

Daisy wasn't as bad but still not very good, smedts is crap, army was better.

Not sure why everyone is getting stuck into murph and doch. They made errors but couldn't fault their effort.

Issue is more lack of depth in the middle and still too many spuds but they will be phased out


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:10 pm 
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Taff wrote:
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Lewis striking Cripps

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Didn't see it ( in Ho Chi Min City) but both feet off ground there and contact with forearm to head is at least 2 weeks. Dirty dog like Hodge and always done at crucial times to win games. Shame we've got no one to do that stuff :grin:

Hodgey was defending him, so he'll get off on the good bloke rule.
@#$%&! he's a dirty cauliflower. No point whatsoever in doing that.


A thug!


He's got to get time for it, the ball was dead as a goal has been kicked, typical Lewis snipe

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:11 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
jim wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
if Casboult is our second ruck, dump him, I'd rather have a runner, let someone else relieve Kruise.
if Casboult is a key forward - as soon as we have a forward ready, dump him, he is not a key forward.
We should be looking for development to make us a better side,

I think the players I mentioned being replaced (by better players) would make us a significantly better side.
What was wrong with his work around the ground. Took more than double the marks Kreuzer did. I think back-up rucking is his role as he is not a natural forward.

Jim watch the game again he is clueless.
Name a KPF in the comp with 8 years in the system that is worse than Casboult.
The name a 2nd ruck with 8 years in the system that is worse than him.
He is no better now than when he first started.
There is no upside to him he simply doesn't get better

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:12 pm 
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Well that is it for me will not watch another game
until Armfield,White ,Rowe,Casbolt and Thomas are gone
All they are doing is holding back the development of our
younger players come on BB start playing them


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:15 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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I hope by the end of the year Casboult, Armfield, Thomas and White have been replaced. I think the whole side shudders when they have the ball.

Dennis kicked a clutch goal and in the last he had no choice. We are three goals down with three mins to go and he has a chance to burst past a defender and run into an open goal. It didn't come off. He probably shouldn't play on next year I agree but if that tackle didn't stick, he's got another two for the week. It was a far less serious error than the Murphy and Gibbs turnovers or the Docherty rundown which put us in the situation where we had to take risks.
Casboult only had one bad turnover tonight. He didn't have a bad game at all. Whipping boy. 9 marks and a goal from him. Not a bad night's work.
Thomas I agree.
White will get pushed out soon enough.


I reckon Bolton would be furious that no one talked to Docherty to let him know he was hot, and no one ran with him to provide a shepherd, never should have been left hanging like that, trying to make something happen.
I thought our midfield was lazy in the first half, no defensive running no forward running to create options or an overlap

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:17 pm 
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Stranger wrote:
Well that is it for me will not watch another game
until Armfield,White ,Rowe,Casbolt and Thomas are gone
All they are doing is holding back the development of our
younger players come on BB start playing them


Rowe has to play. Especially if White doesn't.

Kills me that we took Watson, McCarthy and Mitchell before Tom McDonald.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:24 pm 
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I thought the backline was tough, courageous and daring. Exactly what you'd want. Forward line was poor. As it has been for years. Jack is extremely slow and he isn't doing enough at the moment. I'd put him in the 2's and give him midfield time for a month. Charlie has so much talent but he's cruising around at the moment at 50% effort.
Daisy has a go but he's bloody selfish IMO. Calls for the ball in too many positions that disadvantage the team. Last week 2 contested possessions, 4 clangers. This week 4 contested possessions, 3 clangers. A total of 2 tackles in 2 weeks. If we're going to play an outside player who cant win his own ball, I'd rather give the job to a kid.

I'd drop Jack, Daisy and Dennis. Restructure the forward line with Casboult at CHF, Jaksch at FF and put Fisher and Cunningham on the flanks giving minor midfield relief. Charlie on the wing and make him work.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:27 pm 
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Charlie out for Mckay
2 weeks little impact needs to go and find some form. Let 'Big H' have a crack.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:43 pm 
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We seemed to have it under control until Casboult missed that 15m pass on the hff. He kills me. Gave away another stupid ruck infringement goal, missed that spoil on a player half his size and generally did nothing the rest of the game. We must stop playing him.

Murphy looks on the cusp of playing good football but is making lots of mistakes.

Our experienced players all had moments where they let the team down. Our younger players tired.

Hopefully Charley Curnow is just a bit off at the moment. He isn't doing half the defensive things he was doing last year. Bit of a witches hat this year.

I enjoyed the game nonetheless. Hopefully at regular intervals we can add more youth and excitement before the inevitable fade at seasons end.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:44 pm 
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blues8182 wrote:
Taff wrote:
missnaut wrote:
MIL wrote:
Effes wrote:
Lewis striking Cripps

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Didn't see it ( in Ho Chi Min City) but both feet off ground there and contact with forearm to head is at least 2 weeks. Dirty dog like Hodge and always done at crucial times to win games. Shame we've got no one to do that stuff :grin:

Hodgey was defending him, so he'll get off on the good bloke rule.
@#$%&! he's a dirty cauliflower. No point whatsoever in doing that.


A thug!


He's got to get time for it, the ball was dead as a goal has been kicked, typical Lewis snipe


I guess we''l find out if it's a Hawthorn good bloke discount or a Jordan Lewis good bloke discount.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:47 pm 
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bluemagic16 wrote:
Charlie out for Mckay
2 weeks little impact needs to go and find some form. Let 'Big H' have a crack.


Charlie looks to me like he needs to grow into his body. Very much a boy still. McKay is the future but nowhere near ready. This is the reality for the CFC. Play Jaksch for a month......does nothing then cut him. Supposed to be one of our more experienced players now ?

Casboult has had more than enough chances. Simply a very restricted one trick pony of a footballer.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:49 pm 
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It's a bit doomsday around here. Thought we were good. Every single Melbourne supporter would be pretty pissed off as we are meant to be the Easy Beats.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:49 pm 
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I find it hard to be positive about that game. Years of mediocrity have produced a team that thinks giving the opposition a scare is as good as beating them. You could tell in the first minutes of the last quarter that we didn't want to take the game on, we just wanted to slow down and hold on to respectability. No hunger, no fury, just a tanking club happy with the plucky underdog tag.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:50 pm 
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eric pascoe wrote:
It's a bit doomsday around here. Thought we were good. Every single Melbourne supporter would be pretty pissed off as we are meant to be the Easy Beats.


Pissed off with a 5 goal win and 2-0 ?

Na.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:54 pm 
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MIL wrote:
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Some really good signs from our youngsters, strange game in the sense our better players were our youngsters. Murphy had a shocker.


I agree but 32 possies....our highest :eek:

It's just his errors and our high expectations that make him seem mediocre.



Not for me.

Ive been an apologist for too long now.
Over that.

Someone mentioned last week that his 35 disposals didn't hurt.
Ditto this week.

He had ample opportunity to break lines and went backwards ala Ratten and malthouse instruction.

In the 3rd we showed boldness. The Skipper didn't.
That's my point. He didn't create the attack in the 3rd, and he wasn't the reason to make us look good when we did.

Just an opinion, have chatted to a few about it.
Nothing to do with expectation of a captain, but yes that comes with the honour.
More to do with his ineffectiveness and turnovers when we needed him.

Now, to hang a bit of shit.
We beat Geelong last year when he was off injured.

I do expect more from any captain and highest paid in a group.
It's natural to expect a reward for payment and position.

He's had 11 months preseason.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:57 pm 
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MIL wrote:
eric pascoe wrote:
It's a bit doomsday around here. Thought we were good. Every single Melbourne supporter would be pretty pissed off as we are meant to be the Easy Beats.


Pissed off with a 5 goal win and 2-0 ?

Na.


5 goal win?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:00 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
MIL wrote:
Blue4ever wrote:
Some really good signs from our youngsters, strange game in the sense our better players were our youngsters. Murphy had a shocker.


I agree but 32 possies....our highest :eek:

It's just his errors and our high expectations that make him seem mediocre.



Not for me.

Ive been an apologist for too long now.
Over that.

Someone mentioned last week that his 35 disposals didn't hurt.
Ditto this week.

He had ample opportunity to break lines and went backwards ala Ratten and malthouse instruction.

In the 3rd we showed boldness. The Skipper didn't.
That's my point. He didn't create the attack in the 3rd, and he wasn't the reason to make us look good when we did.

Just an opinion, have chatted to a few about it.
Nothing to do with expectation of a captain, but yes that comes with the honour.
More to do with his ineffectiveness and turnovers when we needed him.

Now, to hang a bit of shit.
We beat Geelong last year when he was off injured.

I do expect more from any captain and highest paid in a group.
It's natural to expect a reward for payment and position.

He's had 11 months preseason.


Murphy's Luke Power for mine.

Very good player and would have been a star as the fifth midfielder but just doesn't have the presence to be the gun leader/midfielder we need.

Ditto for Gibbs.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:10 pm 
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jim wrote:
Taff wrote:
We need desperately need another strong forward - JK anyone? Is Harry ready?


We do but who'd volunteer to play forward for us the way we bring it into the F50.


That is so true and what it tells me we haven't got those speedy outside runners, like the Hills, Isaac Smith types which I'm sure Murphy is suited for.

The point is we can do better forward post Casboult and for now he is what we have.

I thought Casboult was pushed off the ball readily through out the game.
He didn't show enough strength imo.
Small men pushed him off his line.
I'm guessing is he's become too predictable: too one dimensional.

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