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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

So SOS is the problem. ......since his been incharge for the past 2 years.

Clearly, comprehension isn't your strong point... clubs are not dependent on one person (i.e. the saviour mentality) to make all decisions on everything....

Are you pointing the finger at SOS?

Maybe you're confused and referring to Agro's post...

I doubt it was SOS's decision to go without a national recruiting manager for two drafts... we have one now! So clearly we needed a recruiting mgr!!!

You don't think that's dumb? Is that clear enough for you?

SOS's role isn't responsible for that decision, he reports to McKay, even though there is a dotted line from SOS to Trigg.

I could go on but I get the feeling that logic is wasted on you...

I can't see what we have done wrong since close season 2015 to be honest.

The 2014 draft and trade period would have to go down as the worst in history by any club ever

Melbourne have been dreadful over the last 5 to 10 years.

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None of our current players over 26yo or so are likely to ever play any meaningful finals for us going forward. No choice but to suck up these current losses and get games into the kids as soon as it is clear it will benefit their development.

I'd like to see Macreadie get another couple of games at this point in time. Simply because he is obviously having a crack. Reward the kid.

We have been quite unsettled in terms of team selection through the jlt and as real games have commenced. Much as I suspect that several of last Saturday's 22 won't be on our list next year I'm for minimal changes to the team until we have some youngsters putting their hands up in the two's.

I'm optimistic that several of our younger recruits are actually good. They should benefit from a more competitive Northern Blues side this year.

What are you on about? The last two years has delivered the start of a proper rebuild.

Explain what trade and drafting mistakes we have made over the last 2 years?
Only thing I can think of is not trading Gibbs but let's see if we get similar value to what was offered last year, at the end of this year.

Some good news for weekend -vince suspended - Hogan in doubt - don't think we will win but look forward to seeing kids again strutting their stuff


PS as for the drafting and trading over last 2 years has been excellent in my view - surely - whilst early Marchbank Pickett SPS and Mac - show last year ok -

Year before silvagni Curnow weitering plowman indicate year before wasn't too bad either - maybe Phillips and lamb would have played if not injured on the weekend too- wright as DFA was a good get too

Not every trade will be a win - I like Menzel but hardly set the world on fire in Adelaide - maybe lucky to hold his spot this week - bell the same albeit he was injured - tuohy ok for Geelong - Henderson ok for geelong and yarran not playing and I still have hopes for Cunningham

23 games into a total club and list rebuild and the sky is already falling down

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Some interesting comparisons from the first round.

Oldest to youngest:

West Coast 27.58
Hawthorn 27.17
Fremantle 26.44
Geelong 26.14
Bulldogs 25.87
Essendon* 25.57
North 25.57
GWS 25.48
Sydney 25.26
St Kilda 25.19
Coll'wood 25.15
Port 25.15
Richmond 25.12
Adelaide 25.07
Carlton 24.94
Brisbane 24.21
Melbourne 23.87
Gold Coast 23.77

Most experienced to least experienced:

West Coast 143.82
Hawthorn 134.73
Fremantle 111.32
Bulldogs 106.64
GWS 101.68
Geelong 100.05
Essendon* 98.55
North 96.27
Richmond 94.18
Sydney 93.91
Port 91.36
St Kilda 91.32
Coll'wood 89.55
Adelaide 86.82
Carlton 84.86
Melbourne 74.59
Brisbane 72.55
Gold Coast 68.82

Melbourne are definitely achieving above their experience level - Goodwin/Roos influence?

West Coast's team they will have an incredible 17 players with 100+ games playing even with Petrie out as Cripps is currently on 99.

I would say that Seeing that Brodie is SOS's guy, then there's every chance he was responsible for the decision.

Nick Bowen has tweeted that Weitering pulled up well from his corked hip and is expected to do full training this week.

Melbourne justify the progressive argument in favor of playing the talented youth in the seniors rather than shielding them in the VFL.

This was funny the first few times it was posted....

Postacoglou was making the same comment about the A-League coaches. By not exposing players in their late teens/early 20s to senior football they are denying those players experience that is critical to their development - and as a result not pushing to the next level.



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Carlton - Nothing's changed
I still love you, oh, I still love you
Only slightly, only slightly less
Than I used to, my love

There were good signs last week.

Like everybody else I like wins every week but I don't expect that tohappen
Like most Carltonians appreciating the genuine rebuils its small steps and green shoots we are looking for.

I see the current Carlton post preseason post round 1 with a lot of upside.

The game plan wasn't on every players' front page as we were led to believe.
There's a lot of improvement in execution if you believe there's a game plan.

If, as some believe, the game plan is flawed because they are assuming the handball forward is flawed, tn that will improve as players better understand the game plan OR, if coaches think change is required to adapt to current list then I'm sure they're onto it.

I'm sure the kids took a lot out of the first game
Just listening to Pickett you can hear in his voice his desire to be given more chances to show he belongs.
I'm sure Macreadie knows what he will do better next time, ditto SPS, Marchie, Plow...even Smedts.

I thought Rowe was a rock but didn't take his chances. e will grow from that albeit 28yo.
Simmo and Docherty will provide more run than last week.

I'm sure Kreuzer will take it up to Gawn again and Cripps will dish it off first chance whilst he's regaining fitness.
I'm sure Gibbs and Ed will show they can get on top of Dees super midfield group.

#Believe

I'm sure the players do, and I'm sure the coaches do and every support staff member.
I'm also sure they will react to Lloyd Cornes and King uninformed and unsubstantiated comments.

I'm sure the players and the club will be relevant again after this game.

Just tidy up the team defence we encouraged last year and there will be surprises to be seen.

McKay may make his way into the team.
I really hope Thomas is dropped. He played crap last week and he did the last time we played the Dees.
Even Mick Malt concedes this suggesting he wasn't the only headline name to fail in round 1.
Problem is, he's been failing since he started at Carlton.
I want to see everything that doesn't have Mick Malt's finger prints, and that includes Jones the monster.

#Believe in the kids
#Believe in the bodies which generate pace and get to contests or break lines.
#Believe n Green shoots

We have the cattle albeit young. Give 'em another go.

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You're right it was diabolical- but setting the bar so low means that 2015 and 2016 couldn't help but be better - but we haven't necessarily nailed it.

Geelong getting Zac Tuohy only costing them three places in the draft.... hmm?

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

That's all well and good and I agree. I just pray to God we actually have the right set up so that these kids don't go chasing a better culture and more competitive environment elsewhere.

I don't think I can emotionally tolerate another coach sacking/rebuild...I've actually had enough.

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Also a reasonable chance we weren't really without a recruiting manager.

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