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Worst bit will be seeing Jeffy G cutting us up......he was nearly best on today. Never forgive Malthouse for cutting him :mad:

We could be Dees in 3 years if we do it right. Must drop White and Armfield. Not up to it. We could have drafted Hartung too as I watch tonite's game.

Le Bois and Cunningham must be played soon too...we need genuine speed.

We could be lke the Dees in 3 years but highly unlikely. The AFL stepped in and helped Melbourne. First they used their secret formula to come up with pick 3 as compo for losing Frawley. They talked Roos into coaching again and then paid his contract for 3 years. They put a CEO in place and helped negotiate compo from the MCC because they had MCC Melbourne members, as all clubs do.
They became a destination club in part due to Roos and now is it paying off.
The AFL do not give a stuff about us and we will not help.
This will be ugly I am afraid.


So you think that a soulless husk of a club being given a leg up by its controlling power is somehow superior to a club picking itself off the canvas by itself?

Time to develop some self respect.

I don't give a @#$%&! about results at the moment because what I can see is a coach giving an entire club its pride back.

Melbourne can go @#$%&! itself.

I'm a Carlton supporter and I care about my club.

Not theirs.

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kezza wrote:
MIL wrote:
Worst bit will be seeing Jeffy G cutting us up......he was nearly best on today. Never forgive Malthouse for cutting him :mad:

We could be Dees in 3 years if we do it right. Must drop White and Armfield. Not up to it. We could have drafted Hartung too as I watch tonite's game.

Le Bois and Cunningham must be played soon too...we need genuine speed.

We could be lke the Dees in 3 years but highly unlikely. The AFL stepped in and helped Melbourne. First they used their secret formula to come up with pick 3 as compo for losing Frawley. They talked Roos into coaching again and then paid his contract for 3 years. They put a CEO in place and helped negotiate compo from the MCC because they had MCC Melbourne members, as all clubs do.
They became a destination club in part due to Roos and now is it paying off.
The AFL do not give a stuff about us and we will not help.
This will be ugly I am afraid.


A wooden spoon will see us receive an end of first round priority pick.
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kezza
PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:01 pm 
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GWS wrote:
kezza wrote:
MIL wrote:
Worst bit will be seeing Jeffy G cutting us up......he was nearly best on today. Never forgive Malthouse for cutting him :mad:

We could be Dees in 3 years if we do it right. Must drop White and Armfield. Not up to it. We could have drafted Hartung too as I watch tonite's game.

Le Bois and Cunningham must be played soon too...we need genuine speed.

We could be lke the Dees in 3 years but highly unlikely. The AFL stepped in and helped Melbourne. First they used their secret formula to come up with pick 3 as compo for losing Frawley. They talked Roos into coaching again and then paid his contract for 3 years. They put a CEO in place and helped negotiate compo from the MCC because they had MCC Melbourne members, as all clubs do.
They became a destination club in part due to Roos and now is it paying off.
The AFL do not give a stuff about us and we will not help.
This will be ugly I am afraid.


So you think that a soulless husk of a club being given a leg up by its controlling power is somehow superior to a club picking itself off the canvas by itself?

Time to develop some self respect.

I don't give a @#$%&! about results at the moment because what I can see is a coach giving an entire club its pride back.

Melbourne can go @#$%&! itself.

I'm a Carlton supporter and I care about my club.

Not theirs.

Never said Melbourne were superior. Just responded to a quote that we could be like Melbourne in 3 years. I dont think we will be because we will not get any help from the AFL, which in part is why Melbourne are now where they are.
I too am a Carlton supporter and I care about my club. When did I say I didnt?
I dont care about Melbourne, never said I did.
Clubs get leg ups from the AFL, we are not one of them. Imagine if we get the wooden spoon and ask for a priority pick, what a dilemma for the AFL.
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If we win 4 games or less which may be possible , the AFL will have to think hard about a priority pick at the beginning of the 1st round .
We are slipping dangerously behind the competition, and we need help that's what these picks are all about.

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99prelim wrote:
Crippa wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Sin City wrote:
Out: White, Macreadie, Casboult
In: McKay, Kerridge, Cuningham

Simpson Rowe Plowman
Docherty Marchbank Thomas
Murphy Cripps SPS
Wright Weitering C Curnow
Pickett McKay Silvagni
Kreuzer Gibbs Curnow
Smedts Armfield Kerridge Cuningham

We have to have a much smaller back line from now on. Melbourne will surely be bringing every speedy small forward that they have in.


I like the changes provides much needed speed and a fresh tall option.
I'd swap Charlie Curnow for Jaksch too


Jaksch kicked one goal and wasn't in our best in the 2's playing against the Tige's 2's. If you think that warrants a call up then you are dead set crazy. This KJ obsession so many supporters have is ridiculous.


It's no more ridiculous than Thomas, White, Rowe, Armfield, Kerridge, Casboult etc being given multiple games in the seniors and showing us nothing MULTIPLE times
Hey...I'd be over the moon if Jacksh was given the same number of games as Jones to show his wares
This obsession with keeping Jacksh OUT of the side is insane


Aside from Casboult who I have time for, I can see your point. There were times last year KJ seemed to deserve the call up and didn't get it. But if he didn't deserve a JLT game and then doesn't excel against the Tige's 2's then he doesn't deserve a call up this week.

Also, we have shown a willingness to play plenty of kids and give plenty of opportunities so if he isn't getting a game, there MUST be a reason we aren't privy to.
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bmaurizio wrote:
If we win 4 games or less which may be possible , the AFL will have to think hard about a priority pick at the beginning of the 1st round .
We are slipping dangerously behind the competition, and we need help that's what these picks are all about.

Agree, but we are Carlton and it is a different set of rules.
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Hogan looks a million bucks. Who get's the job? Or what will we have to do to limit is impact as a team?

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TheSwan wrote:
Hogan looks a million bucks. Who get's the job? Or what will we have to do to limit is impact as a team?


To limit his impact we have to have more than 4 players get more than 20 disposals... ie. work harder.

Other teams have 8-10 players getting more than 20 disposals.
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Crippa wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Crippa wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Sin City wrote:
Out: White, Macreadie, Casboult
In: McKay, Kerridge, Cuningham

Simpson Rowe Plowman
Docherty Marchbank Thomas
Murphy Cripps SPS
Wright Weitering C Curnow
Pickett McKay Silvagni
Kreuzer Gibbs Curnow
Smedts Armfield Kerridge Cuningham

We have to have a much smaller back line from now on. Melbourne will surely be bringing every speedy small forward that they have in.


I like the changes provides much needed speed and a fresh tall option.
I'd swap Charlie Curnow for Jaksch too


Jaksch kicked one goal and wasn't in our best in the 2's playing against the Tige's 2's. If you think that warrants a call up then you are dead set crazy. This KJ obsession so many supporters have is ridiculous.


It's no more ridiculous than Thomas, White, Rowe, Armfield, Kerridge, Casboult etc being given multiple games in the seniors and showing us nothing MULTIPLE times
Hey...I'd be over the moon if Jacksh was given the same number of games as Jones to show his wares
This obsession with keeping Jacksh OUT of the side is insane


Aside from Casboult who I have time for, I can see your point. There were times last year KJ seemed to deserve the call up and didn't get it. But if he didn't deserve a JLT game and then doesn't excel against the Tige's 2's then he doesn't deserve a call up this week.

Also, we have shown a willingness to play plenty of kids and give plenty of opportunities so if he isn't getting a game, there MUST be a reason we aren't privy to.



KJ did kick 4 and 3 the previous two weeks and did very well.
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Levi Casboult can accept $1000 fine, rough conduct on NVlastuin.
Bernie Vince can accept 1 game, striking N Wright.

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Vince out is a big bonus. He sets them up well off half back

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bmaurizio wrote:
If we win 4 games or less which may be possible , the AFL will have to think hard about a priority pick at the beginning of the 1st round .
We are slipping dangerously behind the competition, and we need help that's what these picks are all about.


The AFL can't do anything about a club that makes dumb decisions!
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Effes wrote:
Levi Casboult can accept $1000 fine, rough conduct on NVlastuin.
Bernie Vince can accept 1 game, striking N Wright.



That was bull. Casboult had both his feet planted and was standing still (just like a basketball pick) while that Richmond nuffy ran head first into him. So what if he lowered his shoulder and smacked him. How can you possibly get a fine when you are standing still and someone runs into you??
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ColourMan wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
If we win 4 games or less which may be possible , the AFL will have to think hard about a priority pick at the beginning of the 1st round .
We are slipping dangerously behind the competition, and we need help that's what these picks are all about.


The AFL can't do anything about a club that makes dumb decisions!


Teams don't get stuck at the bottom by making smart decisions. The priority pick may as well not exist.

Dees by 60 or more.

Hopefully not a shootout and hopefully we pick a balanced team that has some run in the back half.
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ColourMan wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
If we win 4 games or less which may be possible , the AFL will have to think hard about a priority pick at the beginning of the 1st round .
We are slipping dangerously behind the competition, and we need help that's what these picks are all about.


The AFL can't do anything about a club that makes dumb decisions!


Brisbane and Melbourne to name a few say hi....but anyway I agree - we need to stop thinking no.1's are going to save us. We have had more than our fair share over the past 20 years and look what we have achieved.....new culture of wanting more!
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SurreyBlue wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
If we win 4 games or less which may be possible , the AFL will have to think hard about a priority pick at the beginning of the 1st round .
We are slipping dangerously behind the competition, and we need help that's what these picks are all about.


The AFL can't do anything about a club that makes dumb decisions!


Brisbane and Melbourne to name a few say hi....but anyway I agree - we need to stop thinking no.1's are going to save us. We have had more than our fair share over the past 20 years and look what we have achieved.....new culture of wanting more!


Really? Melbourne and Brisbane have been much, much smarter over the last two years...

We've been a laughing stock!
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I'm curious, please tell me how Brisbane and Melbourne have not been a laughing stock over the past 5 to 10 years?
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Honestly how could any body pick Armfield in there team we have several
young kids play the roll he plays with more output by playing Armfield
All they are doing is stopping the development of the younger players
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ColourMan
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I'm curious, please tell me how Brisbane and Melbourne have not been a laughing stock over the past 5 to 10 years?



We've made incredibly dumb and short sighted trading (and to a lesser extent drafting) decisions in the last 2 years under the current regime...

We've missed trade targets, accepted bad contracts, signed bad contract(s), and we didn't even have a senior/national recruiting manager during this time...

During the same period Brisbane, particularly Melbourne, have been much smarter...

TBH, I don't care about other clubs, but you brought them up, I'm not sure why...

Doesn't make us less dumb!
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