It is Verbs,but aint sighted the kid.Talking about the last ten years...........You disagree ? enlighten me !

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Because he's injured?

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If a junior who averaged over 23 possessions a game at junior level is indeed a ball winner, then saying we never recruit anyone who was a ball winner at junior level isn't exactly correct, is it?

Fisher averaged almost 20 possessions a game at senior WAFL level last year. Not bad for such a light framed midfielder.

Mentioned Fisher as by far the best prospect last week against the Dees...........are you for real Verbs.We know PS is injured and understand he has good credentials.............anyhow,if you reckon there is a whole batch of ball magnets coming through the ranks then good luck to you.I cant so we will agree to disagree.

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Cons
Forward line!!
Palmer is proving what I thought of him adding to the rest of our over recycled D/C Graders
Haven't seen anything in Boekhurst since he has been at the club. Has he even improved 5%??
Thomas Rowe White Jones ect (plus many others) are just not AFL standard players time to move them to the VFL.
Many players have a great ability to not get the ball or dispose of the ball directly to a teammate!!
Gameplan! Can we stop this forward handball to a stationary target it is not working!!

Pro
Pleasantly surprised by Macreadie's game he attacked the ball hard especially in the air. Played his way into the 1st round side would prefer him then Rowe or even Plowman at the moment.
Signs again from Marchbank.
Not much else.

I wasn't wrong, I think we're 16 years into a rebuild. I was just trying to remember the latest propaganda from the club about where we are in a rebuild.


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You can't judge Bolts, SOS & Trigg on what happened before they started. Round 1 2017 will be Bolton's 23rd game as Carlton coach. Considering the mess he inherited, it will take years to get us back into contention. The path we have taken is the right one, but requires lots of patience.

There's still lots of pain to go through. Unfortunately, I think that's only starting to dawn on some Carlton supporters.

This is the first proper rebuild we've ever had, IMO. We should have done this at least 10 years earlier.

There's no guarantee it will work. There's no guarantees for any long term plan. But we must stay the course this time.

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It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.

The Bulldogs have lost both their JLT matches as well.
One of them to the worst team, the Brions. And they were comprehensively beaten by the Dees.
Probably b/c of the sh1t coach, recycled (in some cases overpriced) players like Boyd, Suckling, Crameri and Cloke.

Yes, we were shizen but Bolton has a plan, is putting the long term first.
We know most of the players from Sat are not up to it or still too young. I'm sure he had his reasons for playing who he did - perhaps incl rewarding effort on the training track, giving players specific challenges etc...
And I'm sure he will be drawing lots of valuable learning opportunities from these losses and the way we've played.

And we all know we are not likely to win many more games, if any more, than last season when we 'overachieved'.

So, everyone just calm down - criticism is fine; some of the hysteria is just as much the problem from the past 10years as is our poor recruiting and player development. WE put the short term ahead of the long term and put unnecessary pressure on (in addition to the necessary but measured pressure).

It is the pre-season. Let's see what happens when the real season begins.
And even if we're shit, the coach and other leaders have told us it will take time. We may not see real progress on the scoreboard until half way through NEXT season. If we don't see progress then, go ahead and pile on the pressure.
Until then, keep your cool.

Gotta stay cool.
Gotta hang in there.
Gotta support our team through thick and thin.

We will rise again.

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Finally someone who speaks some sense.

INCORRECT- there was a rebuild in 2011 with the BLUE PRINT - remember 2 Premierships by 2016?

if its a decade of poor list management that you talk about then....why in the hell is Andrew Mckay still at the club. His record over player contracts and recruitment over the past 6 or so years have been nothin short of a definite dismissal
Jones tutt jaksch whiley just to name a few that Mckay has had his name all over in both the recruitment and player contracts..

Not mention the incredible botching of player contracts i.e. Daisy Thomas (yeah i know everyone will say that was MMs decision which is right but why on earth didn't mckay argue the point with MM that the blues weren't in a position to pay around the 750 K ,daisy was asking ...Aagain i don't recall any other AFL club at the time crawling over backwards to get Daisys signature)
The list goes on and on with Mckay ... and don't forget the 3 year contract extension he gave to warnock as well as extensions to both jamieson and walker...when they were clearly cooked.
the only reason why he remains at carlton is that he is goods mates with the CEO and possibly SOS..

if its a decade of poor list management that you talk about then....why in the hell is Andrew Mckay still at the club. His record over player contracts and recruitment over the past 6 or so years have been nothin short of a definite dismissal
Jones tutt jaksch whiley just to name a few that Mckay has had his name all over in both the recruitment and player contracts..

Not mention the incredible botching of player contracts i.e. Daisy Thomas (yeah i know everyone will say that was MMs decision which is right but why on earth didn't mckay argue the point with MM that the blues weren't in a position to pay around the 750 K ,daisy was asking ...Aagain i don't recall any other AFL club at the time crawling over backwards to get Daisys signature)
The list goes on and on with Mckay ... and don't forget the 3 year contract extension he gave to warnock as well as extensions to both jamieson and walker...when they were clearly cooked.
the only reason why he remains at carlton is that he is goods mates with the CEO and possibly SOS..

Has Trigg only been at the club one year? What about Mackay? Should I mention the board?

Still lots of pain to go through? You mean worse than the last 15 years? Seems to me it's still lots of "the same" to go through

I don't expect much success for quite a while yet even if we are really changing. I've been a member for many years so don't try to BS me that "this time it will be different" and "be patient".

I've accepted that the club is a rabble, how can I not when my nose has been forcefully rubbed in it for the last 15 years. The sooner we all accept that reality and temper our expectations the better.

Why do I keep paying my membership and watching games? Probably because I'm a stubborn old bastard and I do hope that one day the club will turn itself around.

great honesty that cannot be challenged

no way I can hang out that long

it's on after the first bounce

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Are you saying "once a rabble, always a rabble"? If so, why don't we just give up and hand the keys in now?

Last year's premiers are just one example of a club turning itself around after years of failure.

Whatever. Keep blaming SOS, Bolton & Trigg for the past 15 years if that makes you feel better.

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Are you saying "once a rabble, always a rabble"? If so, why don't we just give up and hand the keys in now?

Last year's premiers are just one example of a club turning itself around after years of failure.

Whatever. Keep blaming SOS, Bolton & Trigg for the past 15 years if that makes you feel better.[/quote]

Im not blaming those guys, I'm saying that it will take more than that trio to turn the rabble, sorry, club around based on the last 15 years.

As mentioned in another thread I'm becoming resigned to the bitter fact that I may never live to see number 17.

Just because a previous administration may have labeled it a 'rebuild', doesn't mean they actually undertook one. There were many shortcuts taken, which lead to some short-term success (if you call an elimination finals win that) but as we all saw it didn't lead to anything substantial. Now we're seeing what happens when you take the long road to a rebuild, there is going to be a couple of years more pain before we're in a similar position to Melbourne or Saints and challenging for the top 8. Hopefully some of our emotional supporters can hang in there.