Petrevski-Seton averaged over 23 possessions a game at Colts level in 2016.

"We" would still bag the shit out of Jordan Russell who captains the Bulldogs's seconds.

Who needs sugar coaters when our venting wrist slashers make the Blues the polar opposite to Essendon*'s deluded apologists?

You should pass on pacy wingman like Simpson for ball magnets like Nick Graham.

Weren't we in rebuild mode under Malthouse in his last year, I thought that was what the board told us...all these rebuilds kind of blur together because we've never actually finished any of them have we?


Then again I remember the days when it was maths, not math.[/quote]

You're the one telling the story. I think not only your math is faulty but your memory too.

If you can find anywhere Malthouse engaged in a rebuild at Carlton, good luck to you. Malthouse directly rebuked any rebuild. So he got sacked.[/quote]

So is it a rebuild when the coach says it is or when the board says it is, or when some guy on an Internet forum says it is?

Do rebuilds only start on draft day or on match day?

I don't think we're rebuilding, really we've just been renovating for the last 20 years....


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Just to point out little bits of fake news that we slip in to try and bolster arguments.

So in what world is a 23 year old who's played 18 games considered a "senior leader"? I'm talking about Blaine Brocklehurstbridgestein.

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So you were wrong saying we're 44 games into a rebuild. Very wrong.

and your point is?

I would say SPS and Fisher can win their fair share of the ball.

Have generally picked KP otherwise - the right approach given the time it takes for them to develop.

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I was really disappointed in ALL the so called experienced retreads":

Thomas
Palmer
Smedts
Jones
Lamb
Rowe

and other seniors like White, Kerridge tried, but.....you know

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all the above are garbage that other clubs threw out..

yeah it's horrendous that bolts and sos haven't been able to turn around a decade of poor list management and standards in 2 seasons!! Sack everyone

Rowe wasn't thrown out, neither was Thomas. They chose to move

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Ohh great...we are arguing about how the garbage was thrown out or left on the street

Well if you are going to gob off, at least get it right

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This thread in a nutshell.

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So lets assume we actively sought a state league SA player that swans delisted and a quality player with career ending permanent broken ankles .the decision not only to secure them but to subsequently keep them is worse than first suggested

I have said it before saint's brought in as many kids
through the draft as possible they didn't give away any
early draft picks until they stocked piled there list with
enough talent once that was done they then targeted
Players that they needed Not like us over the last 4 years
we have gave up at least 10 first and second round draft
picks that is where our biggest mistake is made and the club
is to frighten to make tough decisions on players who do have
trade value to trade them

Agree with SPS and Fisher..

How about Cunningham (in the TAC), Sumner, and Lamb?

KP's do take time, and Harry has been injured which hasn't helped, but he wasn't a big accumulator in the TAC... hopefully he can remain injury free!

PS has not been sighted . Fact is we dont draft ball winners .We get dinky types who great attributes in a lot of areas but dont get the pill.And if you want to say put up or shut up then i actually have.Have recommended at least a dozen kids from the VFL who have all been drafted but were not AFL standard by our recruiting gurus.Understand you have so many choices and you cant fit everyone but we have had far too many misses.The coach can only work with what he has so i hardly think he can be criticized,but he has only so much time before people are entitled to question.

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So 23 possessions a match isn't a ball winner?

beautifully put....combined with sugar coating on the spin cycle from club spokespeople [pardon the double metaphor]