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Bloody exciting when taken together with the trade period snaring Marchbank and Pickett but I'm a sugar coater from way back as you know :thumbsup:


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I agree that we can almost consider Marchbank and Pickett as draftees too, given their ages and where they were chosen.

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2 KP players, 1 each end and quite well rated - tick
4 midfielders, and by all accounts skilful - tick
Can't bloody ask for much more.

For what it's worth, I'm excited with every single 1 of the picks. They all look like they can bloody play the game and genuine footballers!!!


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All the top clubs have depth. The Bulldogs this year demonstrated that value when they lost several gun players, but won the flag.

It seems we needed to add speed and skill, which has been done, and we now have players who will provide depth.

The likes of Fisher and Polson might not play next year, but if we are contending for finals in a couple of years, selections like these are likely to make the difference in how far into September we progress.

And a question for Cazzesman: where's Mrs. Caz these days?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:33 pm 
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smithy wrote:
Brodie and Drew will never be capable of what SPS and Fisher can do, the latter are far superior in footskills -agility -decision making-speed


I agree on the skills front. My preference for Brodie is based on my view that he is less risky. SPS did not improve was injured . Brodie in my opinion has upside and just looks a safer bet. I am very influenced by years of high risk drafting of first and second round picks that ended in failure . My preference for Drew over Fischer may in hindsight be misplaced. The rest of the picks for various reasons entail high levels of risk for high rewards but that is ok in rounds 3-5. This draft could define Sos as a genius. I acknowledge the positive improvement in the clubs recruiting but am haunted by the past


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After liking what we did 2015 draft not really sure about the 2016 draft probably a mixed bag in my opinion.

Like SPS with his pace and skill. Glad we didn't take Brodie.
Didn't rate Fisher at 27 small accumulator with poor foot skills.
Macreadie after being rated a top pick before the start of 2016 he did not get anywhere near that level during the U/18 champs and was disappointing. SOS taking a punt on 2015.
Poulsen and Williamson look like SOS punts on players who look more like rookie selections but with a big upside.
Really like Kerr at our last pick which I found it strange that he lasted that late? Needs to prove he is more then just a mark and kick player but a very good one at that.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:07 pm 
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The thing we all noticed about the Doggies in 2015-16 is their desperation at the ball and ball carrier, backing up each other and great foot skills.

What I noticed about our new draftees is their tenacity at the ball, pace and skill in the midfield.

I love what each and every player brings.

I think they will all make it. The first 3 picks will play this year, as will the 2015 dtaftees and trades, along with this years trades.

Of the latter picks Macreadie is an absolute beauty, Kerr a true FF, and Poulson is so fast and zippy how could we not be happy to have topped up with talent from the last 2 Trade and Draft periods.

We may or may not play finals in 2017, but come 2018 with 6 more new draftees at the end of 2017, a quality FA and a good trade from becoming a destination club, and we are set for sustained success.

In BB and SOS I believe

Amazing what SOS has done after 2 years at the helm with one more year of a 66 round rebuild.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:29 pm 
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Williamson is the real smokey for mine
Tall for a mid, really evasive and has really good left foot.
Won't turn 18 til December but will be fun to watch in the VFL


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:46 pm 
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bluemagic16 wrote:
Williamson is the real smokey for mine
Tall for a mid, really evasive and has really good left foot.
Won't turn 18 til December but will be fun to watch in the VFL


Yep. Very young.

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I like what SOS has done, and I think to understand his approach one has to look at this year's draft/trade period in context of last years' and also what may be on offer next year.

As has been said ad nauseum, our backline is looking very solid with Weiters, Plowman, Marchbank, Doc, and Byrne. Add in Simpson, and this is a very agile, very mobile defense than can create play off half back. What it lacks is a reliable tall/strong full back who can play on the guerilla KPF's. Sam Rowe fills the need currently, but obviously this is a stop-gap and we now have a number of names who will be developed through the VFL and may step into that role. This role isn't as crucial one as it may once have been for our club, because of our emphasis on team defense and pressure up the ground. Obviously 2017 may be Simmo's last year, but again there are a few names that may be able to play his role.

Our forward line is taking shape nicely as well. Curnow, SOJ, McKay will be the pillars and let's not forget we will add young Ben Silvagni in the next few years too. What we lack is a dangerous small forward (or two) and again we've recruited several kids be that by draft or trade that we are hoping will develop into playing this role consistently well.

Our midfield is obviously in need of attention, but we all know this can be rectified far more quickly than a leaky defense or an underpowered offense. What we don't want in our midfield is another Robinson, or another Bell for that matter. Accumulators of the football who occasionally do nice things but who lack creativity, silk and polish. This is where SOS' recruiting I think has been measured if not smart - he's picking smokeys, players that may have been underdone or perhaps injured, or who have shown glimpses but never really emerged but who have a lot of upside. I would prefer to try these types of kids out for a year or two and churn them on if they aren't firing, than keeping players like Robinson/Bell on our list.

Imagine SPS really does come on this year. Imagine we land Fyfe the following year...

Everyone knows the flag ain't even up for grabs for the next few years as GWS turns into a Juggernaut and clubs like Poorthawn and Geelong throw their hats in with their big-name pickups. It's about timing our run and hitting the comp hard when the pendulum turns, and I think we're planning accordingly.

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I like what SOS has done, and I think to understand his approach one has to look at this year's draft/trade period in context of last years' and also what may be on offer next year.

As has been said ad nauseum, our backline is looking very solid with Weiters, Plowman, Marchbank, Doc, and Byrne. Add in Simpson, and this is a very agile, very mobile defense than can create play off half back. What it lacks is a reliable tall/strong full back who can play on the guerilla KPF's. Sam Rowe fills the need currently, but obviously this is a stop-gap and we now have a number of names who will be developed through the VFL and may step into that role. This role isn't as crucial one as it may once have been for our club, because of our emphasis on team defense and pressure up the ground. Obviously 2017 may be Simmo's last year, but again there are a few names that may be able to play his role.

Our forward line is taking shape nicely as well. Curnow, SOJ, McKay will be the pillars and let's not forget we will add young Ben Silvagni in the next few years too. What we lack is a dangerous small forward (or two) and again we've recruited several kids be that by draft or trade that we are hoping will develop into playing this role consistently well.

Our midfield is obviously in need of attention, but we all know this can be rectified far more quickly than a leaky defense or an underpowered offense. What we don't want in our midfield is another Robinson, or another Bell for that matter. Accumulators of the football who occasionally do nice things but who lack creativity, silk and polish. This is where SOS' recruiting I think has been measured if not smart - he's picking smokeys, players that may have been underdone or perhaps injured, or who have shown glimpses but never really emerged but who have a lot of upside. I would prefer to try these types of kids out for a year or two and churn them on if they aren't firing, than keeping players like Robinson/Bell on our list.

Imagine SPS really does come on this year. Imagine we land Fyfe the following year...

Everyone knows the flag ain't even up for grabs for the next few years as GWS turns into a Juggernaut and clubs like Poorthawn and Geelong throw their hats in with their big-name pickups. It's about timing our run and hitting the comp hard when the pendulum turns, and I think we're planning accordingly.


Fully agree. SOS has gone with some class with our smaller players with high order skills. Looking forward to seeing how they go.

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bluemagic16 wrote:
Williamson is the real smokey for mine
Tall for a mid, really evasive and has really good left foot.
Won't turn 18 til December but will be fun to watch in the VFL


In my previous post I stated I liked the latter picks like Macreadie Poulson Kerr and didn't mention Williamson when I meant to highlight Williamson within that post as the one who really excites me.
He's definitely the smokey for me too...for all the reasons you stated.

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Where is it written you have to be over 188cm to be a midfield beast ffs, this nonsense that every mid must be 6ft4 is really starting to get tired, it's now the comment that lazy idiots make.


It might be if anyone was actually arguing that. But then again, perhaps you're just being lazy. Or something else. :screwy:

If they're good enough, height won't be an issue. However the reality is that height, weight and athleticism are all contributing factors to making it at AFL level. If you're taller, faster and stronger you've got an obvious advantage. And so if you lack them, you need to be considerably better to make it. You just need to ask yourself how many really good AFL midfielders there have been over the last 15 years who are below 178cm. Without any research I can think of Boomer Harvey and Caleb Daniel off the top of my head. No doubt there have been others as well. But you just to need to look at AFL lists and the teams that are selected at senior level to know that it's harder. And it's getting harder. 190cm kids who were listed 10 years ago were listed to play as kpp. Now they usually need to be 194cm. Otherwise they need the mobility to play as running players. Mundy, Kennedy, Bont, Cripps. The pressure is on to find and match the bigger bodies.

Now obviously you can't just play big brutes, you also need to complement that with skill and zip and run. And hopefully Fisher will do that for us. But at his height it's going to be harder to make it. SOS himself admitted he didn't even consider Caleb Daniel the previous year because of his height. What does that tell you? It's harder for the really small guys to make it. And AFL teams simply don't play many in their senior teams at the one time. And we've now got quite a few on our list. Maybe we'll break the mould. Maybe we'll catch a break on the competition. Hopefully we do.

And I back SOS to know better than me. But am I surprised? Yes.

Apologies in advance, for yet another lazy, ill-informed, stupid post.


I understand with your logic, and I agree. Point well made and thoroughly explained.
Bigger and Faster means you are bigger and faster, not smaller and slower.

There's no doubt for me that SOS may have got this right by selecting more tenacious, nimble and quicker mids than Brodie and Drew.
Given we have Cripps and Gibbs to play the inside role in 2017, SOS may have felt we had that covered. After all, he did have the advantage of choice with pick 5..

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:01 am 
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robertbb wrote:
I like what SOS has done, and I think to understand his approach one has to look at this year's draft/trade period in context of last years' and also what may be on offer next year.

As has been said ad nauseum, our backline is looking very solid with Weiters, Plowman, Marchbank, Doc, and Byrne. Add in Simpson, and this is a very agile, very mobile defense than can create play off half back. What it lacks is a reliable tall/strong full back who can play on the guerilla KPF's. Sam Rowe fills the need currently, but obviously this is a stop-gap and we now have a number of names who will be developed through the VFL and may step into that role. This role isn't as crucial one as it may once have been for our club, because of our emphasis on team defense and pressure up the ground. Obviously 2017 may be Simmo's last year, but again there are a few names that may be able to play his role.

Our forward line is taking shape nicely as well. Curnow, SOJ, McKay will be the pillars and let's not forget we will add young Ben Silvagni in the next few years too. What we lack is a dangerous small forward (or two) and again we've recruited several kids be that by draft or trade that we are hoping will develop into playing this role consistently well.

Our midfield is obviously in need of attention, but we all know this can be rectified far more quickly than a leaky defense or an underpowered offense. What we don't want in our midfield is another Robinson, or another Bell for that matter. Accumulators of the football who occasionally do nice things but who lack creativity, silk and polish. This is where SOS' recruiting I think has been measured if not smart - he's picking smokeys, players that may have been underdone or perhaps injured, or who have shown glimpses but never really emerged but who have a lot of upside. I would prefer to try these types of kids out for a year or two and churn them on if they aren't firing, than keeping players like Robinson/Bell on our list.

Imagine SPS really does come on this year. Imagine we land Fyfe the following year...

Everyone knows the flag ain't even up for grabs for the next few years as GWS turns into a Juggernaut and clubs like Poorthawn and Geelong throw their hats in with their big-name pickups. It's about timing our run and hitting the comp hard when the pendulum turns, and I think we're planning accordingly.


Great post.

SOS has selected players who see the game ahead unfold and hit targets.

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bondiblue wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
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Where is it written you have to be over 188cm to be a midfield beast ffs, this nonsense that every mid must be 6ft4 is really starting to get tired, it's now the comment that lazy idiots make.


It might be if anyone was actually arguing that. But then again, perhaps you're just being lazy. Or something else. :screwy:

If they're good enough, height won't be an issue. However the reality is that height, weight and athleticism are all contributing factors to making it at AFL level. If you're taller, faster and stronger you've got an obvious advantage. And so if you lack them, you need to be considerably better to make it. You just need to ask yourself how many really good AFL midfielders there have been over the last 15 years who are below 178cm. Without any research I can think of Boomer Harvey and Caleb Daniel off the top of my head. No doubt there have been others as well. But you just to need to look at AFL lists and the teams that are selected at senior level to know that it's harder. And it's getting harder. 190cm kids who were listed 10 years ago were listed to play as kpp. Now they usually need to be 194cm. Otherwise they need the mobility to play as running players. Mundy, Kennedy, Bont, Cripps. The pressure is on to find and match the bigger bodies.

Now obviously you can't just play big brutes, you also need to complement that with skill and zip and run. And hopefully Fisher will do that for us. But at his height it's going to be harder to make it. SOS himself admitted he didn't even consider Caleb Daniel the previous year because of his height. What does that tell you? It's harder for the really small guys to make it. And AFL teams simply don't play many in their senior teams at the one time. And we've now got quite a few on our list. Maybe we'll break the mould. Maybe we'll catch a break on the competition. Hopefully we do.

And I back SOS to know better than me. But am I surprised? Yes.

Apologies in advance, for yet another lazy, ill-informed, stupid post.


I understand with your logic, and I agree. Point well made and thoroughly explained.
Bigger and Faster means you are bigger and faster, not smaller and slower.

There's no doubt for me that SOS may have got this right by selecting more tenacious, nimble and quicker mids than Brodie and Drew.
Given we have Cripps and Gibbs to play the inside role in 2017, SOS may have felt we had that covered. After all, he did have the advantage of choice with pick 5..


There is a guy called Murphy who is returning also. He seems to be absent in most despatches on TC.

You add Murphy, Gibbs, Crippa, Palmer, Ed Curnow, Kerridge, Graham and Cunningham and it's a good start.

Plus I would love to see Docherty, Thomas, Charlie Curnow and Smedts get some minutes in there. All four are smart, clean and possess good vision.

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bondiblue wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
smithy wrote:
Where is it written you have to be over 188cm to be a midfield beast ffs, this nonsense that every mid must be 6ft4 is really starting to get tired, it's now the comment that lazy idiots make.


It might be if anyone was actually arguing that. But then again, perhaps you're just being lazy. Or something else. :screwy:

If they're good enough, height won't be an issue. However the reality is that height, weight and athleticism are all contributing factors to making it at AFL level. If you're taller, faster and stronger you've got an obvious advantage. And so if you lack them, you need to be considerably better to make it. You just need to ask yourself how many really good AFL midfielders there have been over the last 15 years who are below 178cm. Without any research I can think of Boomer Harvey and Caleb Daniel off the top of my head. No doubt there have been others as well. But you just to need to look at AFL lists and the teams that are selected at senior level to know that it's harder. And it's getting harder. 190cm kids who were listed 10 years ago were listed to play as kpp. Now they usually need to be 194cm. Otherwise they need the mobility to play as running players. Mundy, Kennedy, Bont, Cripps. The pressure is on to find and match the bigger bodies.

Now obviously you can't just play big brutes, you also need to complement that with skill and zip and run. And hopefully Fisher will do that for us. But at his height it's going to be harder to make it. SOS himself admitted he didn't even consider Caleb Daniel the previous year because of his height. What does that tell you? It's harder for the really small guys to make it. And AFL teams simply don't play many in their senior teams at the one time. And we've now got quite a few on our list. Maybe we'll break the mould. Maybe we'll catch a break on the competition. Hopefully we do.

And I back SOS to know better than me. But am I surprised? Yes.

Apologies in advance, for yet another lazy, ill-informed, stupid post.


I understand with your logic, and I agree. Point well made and thoroughly explained.
Bigger and Faster means you are bigger and faster, not smaller and slower.

There's no doubt for me that SOS may have got this right by selecting more tenacious, nimble and quicker mids than Brodie and Drew.
Given we have Cripps and Gibbs to play the inside role in 2017, SOS may have felt we had that covered. After all, he did have the advantage of choice with pick 5..


Very good point RE: Gibbs btw. We know he's likely gone in the next few years... play him on the inside and let him get beat up. :thumbsup:

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To me all the pre season write-ups say the same.

So I don't value them.

But I'm impressed with our 2016 crop and if our lead recruiter goes for 6 kids that's a huge thing for me, as part of a rebuilding team.

IMagine if most of our last two crops go on to play 100+ games!

Can't wait.

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