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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:38 am 
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I'm a SOS fan. And we've still got the rookie draft to come. But I was surprised that we didn't pick a midfield beast. Also surprised we picked up another 2 sub-180cm guys after SPS. Not knowing anything about Polson and Williamson, and being surprised by the selection of Fisher, meant I felt a little underwhelmed. But obviously we have to wait awhile and see how they go, before we can really judge the selections.

Hunter, Daniel, Dahlhaus, Hrovat, Honeychurch and Dickson are all sub-180 cm types who can play a bit. Better off going to the draft than trading for Hrovat who was reportedly asking for money. Pickett has more raw talent than Hrovat. We will improve if they push fringe types such as Buckley and Graham off the list.

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Fisher’s 23-disposal, two-goal debut against West Perth announced his arrival as a player worth considering by AFL clubs and went a long way towards his selection in the WA squad for this year’s national under-18 championships.

WAFC State talent manager Adam Jones said it took only one game for selectors to realise they had found a player worth pursuing in Fisher.

“He really came on the scene in our talent day game in February and it was his ability to extract the ball from stoppages and break away from the contest at pace,” Jones said.

“His use by foot and awareness in traffic with clean hands are all at the top-end level. He’s got a lot of tools in his kit.”

As for his nickname? “It’s shocking. I don’t know how it stuck,” Fisher said. “I just have to smile at it.”


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:55 am 
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Recent additions like Sumner Cuningham Pickett Smedts Polson Williamson suggests Bolton and SOS are looking at plenty of rebounding speed and skill out of defense through the middle of the ground (ie. the dogs with Johannisen).

I like the thinking.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:03 am 
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Recent additions like Sumner Cuningham Pickett Smedts Polson Williamson suggests Bolton and SOS are looking at plenty of rebounding speed and skill out of defense through the middle of the ground (ie. the dogs with Johannisen).

I like the thinking.

Of the 11 recruits we've selected - 4 have family ties. Not a reason for choosing - just a nice bonus as we look at culture
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:13 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I think Sos has taken some major risks.
Personally would have preferred Brodie and Drew instead of SPS and Fischer
Macredie is cheap at pick 47 but does he suit our needs?


How does a quick, talented 195cm key position player not suit our needs?
FFS, some of you people look for the negatives at every opportunity.
Whinge, whinge, sook, sook.

We've just bought some keen, talented and skilled kids into our club. Its a time to look forward with positivity and some of you sooks still want to search for negatives.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:27 am 
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Kouta wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
I'm a SOS fan. And we've still got the rookie draft to come. But I was surprised that we didn't pick a midfield beast. Also surprised we picked up another 2 sub-180cm guys after SPS. Not knowing anything about Polson and Williamson, and being surprised by the selection of Fisher, meant I felt a little underwhelmed. But obviously we have to wait awhile and see how they go, before we can really judge the selections.


Hunter, Daniel, Dahlhaus, Hrovat, Honeychurch and Dickson are all sub-180 cm types who can play a bit. Better off going to the draft than trading for Hrovat who was reportedly asking for money. Pickett has more raw talent than Hrovat. We will improve if they push fringe types such as Buckley and Graham off the list.


I take your point, although Dickson's 184cm. The question is how many can you have in the team at the one time? Hrovat and Honeychurch didn't get much game time, when Hunter, Daniel and Dahlhaus were up and running.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 10:29 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
Kouta wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
I'm a SOS fan. And we've still got the rookie draft to come. But I was surprised that we didn't pick a midfield beast. Also surprised we picked up another 2 sub-180cm guys after SPS. Not knowing anything about Polson and Williamson, and being surprised by the selection of Fisher, meant I felt a little underwhelmed. But obviously we have to wait awhile and see how they go, before we can really judge the selections.


Hunter, Daniel, Dahlhaus, Hrovat, Honeychurch and Dickson are all sub-180 cm types who can play a bit. Better off going to the draft than trading for Hrovat who was reportedly asking for money. Pickett has more raw talent than Hrovat. We will improve if they push fringe types such as Buckley and Graham off the list.


I take your point, although Dickson's 184cm. The question is how many can you have in the team at the one time? Hrovat and Honeychurch didn't get much game time, when Hunter, Daniel and Dahlhaus were up and running.

Too much talent is a better problem to have


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:05 am 
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Sam Mitchell is 178cm.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:27 am 
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The most disappointing thing overall about this draft (except for the cheats getting pick 1, and GWS not getting penalised until after) was no Tasmanian players drafted. Unfortunate sign of where the game is heading and you get the feeling those in charge couldn't care less.


The club that is the AFL industry are doubling down on The Spews vision of AFL teams in wastelands and abandoning heartlands.

A tassie team now, or a third team in Perth (preferably in the northern corridor) would mean the previous admin got it wrong . Can't do that until it's so @#$%&! obvious that the territory is gone for good.

It's alright we've got the Kangas and the Simon Black Academy now..sorted

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:00 pm 
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It feels different. We've chosen players who actually have a position, not the utility types that we drafted for so many years. It's also really exciting to have 6 new kids, its generally around 4. I like that some of them have ties to Carlton, this will aid our 'sense of belonging' culture and hopefully create a solid core of dedicated players who love being at the club. Imagine if we had a group of 'Simmos' who give their all?

Exciting, watching the list get gutted :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:11 pm 
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We needed mids, we picked them.
We always need talls. We got some.

All they have to do now is get a game.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:15 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I think Sos has taken some major risks.
Personally would have preferred Brodie and Drew instead of SPS and Fischer
Macredie is cheap at pick 47 but does he suit our needs?


How does a quick, talented 195cm key position player not suit our needs?
FFS, some of you people look for the negatives at every opportunity.
Whinge, whinge, sook, sook.

We've just bought some keen, talented and skilled kids into our club. Its a time to look forward with positivity and some of you sooks still want to search for negatives.


Not negative but we traded for marchbank. Its a question worth asking


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:59 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
I think Sos has taken some major risks.
Personally would have preferred Brodie and Drew instead of SPS and Fischer
Macredie is cheap at pick 47 but does he suit our needs?


How does a quick, talented 195cm key position player not suit our needs?
FFS, some of you people look for the negatives at every opportunity.
Whinge, whinge, sook, sook.

We've just bought some keen, talented and skilled kids into our club. Its a time to look forward with positivity and some of you sooks still want to search for negatives.


:clap: :clap: :clap:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:11 pm 
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My bias is towards safe bets solid 200gamers at this stage of a rebuild hence Brodie and Drew.


There is no such thing as a safe bet in the National Draft. You are just assuming that Brodie & Drew will play 200 games. What evidence is there that they will & SPS and Fisher won't?????

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:18 pm 
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2006- the last year we had 6 picks in a national draft. Plus we traded in 2 20yo. Just need to develop these kids and we are on a winner.

By the way Marchbank can also play on a flank. When was the last time we had some young decent tall players? Now people complain we have too many.

First 2 picks are 2 quick genuine midfielders with good skills, who are prepared to run both ways.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:21 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:45 pm 
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Where is it written you have to be over 188cm to be a midfield beast ffs, this nonsense that every mid must be 6ft4 is really starting to get tired, it's now the comment that lazy idiots make.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:50 pm 
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Brodie and Drew will never be capable of what SPS and Fisher can do, the latter are far superior in footskills -agility -decision making-speed

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:32 pm 
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Where is it written you have to be over 188cm to be a midfield beast ffs, this nonsense that every mid must be 6ft4 is really starting to get tired, it's now the comment that lazy idiots make.


It might be if anyone was actually arguing that. But then again, perhaps you're just being lazy. Or something else. :screwy:

If they're good enough, height won't be an issue. However the reality is that height, weight and athleticism are all contributing factors to making it at AFL level. If you're taller, faster and stronger you've got an obvious advantage. And so if you lack them, you need to be considerably better to make it. You just need to ask yourself how many really good AFL midfielders there have been over the last 15 years who are below 178cm. Without any research I can think of Boomer Harvey and Caleb Daniel off the top of my head. No doubt there have been others as well. But you just to need to look at AFL lists and the teams that are selected at senior level to know that it's harder. And it's getting harder. 190cm kids who were listed 10 years ago were listed to play as kpp. Now they usually need to be 194cm. Otherwise they need the mobility to play as running players. Mundy, Kennedy, Bont, Cripps. The pressure is on to find and match the bigger bodies.

Now obviously you can't just play big brutes, you also need to complement that with skill and zip and run. And hopefully Fisher will do that for us. But at his height it's going to be harder to make it. SOS himself admitted he didn't even consider Caleb Daniel the previous year because of his height. What does that tell you? It's harder for the really small guys to make it. And AFL teams simply don't play many in their senior teams at the one time. And we've now got quite a few on our list. Maybe we'll break the mould. Maybe we'll catch a break on the competition. Hopefully we do.

And I back SOS to know better than me. But am I surprised? Yes.

Apologies in advance, for yet another lazy, ill-informed, stupid post.


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If you're undersized, you need to be a one touch player with above average pace, smarts, skills, endurance and courage.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:35 pm 
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draft is a bit of a lottery - but happy with what we have got from what I can tell.
Glad we went midfield. The good thing from my POV is that when it comes to picking a best 22 for 2018-19 I am not running out of players. Multiple possibilities in many positions. Course they may not all make it - but this is the best part of November!


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