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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:30 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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If Kerridge, Palmer or Thomas are in the 22, we have a loooooooooong way to go


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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If Kerridge, Palmer or Thomas are in the 22, we have a loooooooooong way to go


Palmer played in the Prelim Final for a team which boasts 600 first draft picks.....maybe 60....maybe 40.

And...lets define what a long way to go implies.....

I can't see us winning a flag in the next 2-3 years whilst Palmer is still with us.

Hoping Kerridge will be a good depth player in 2018, and as a bottom 6 player he goes allright...imo

Thomas....yep...he was cooked before he came with MM's blessing...unless a miracle happens

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I also believe that people questioned whether Selwood could overcome his injuries issues as a junior.

I'm still very confident :thumbsup:


He still has a face like a smashed crab though. Can't really overcome that.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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B: Plowman - Weitering - Rowe
HB: Docherty - Marchbank - Simpson
C: Boekhorst - Cripps - Curnow
HF: Sumner - Casboult - Thomas
F: Silvagni - Curnow - SPS
R: Kreuzer - Gibbs - Murphy

I: Palmer - Kerridge - Wright - Cunningham

Return of the mosquito fleet with SPS, Pickett, Fisher, Sumner, Boekhorst, Cunningham, etc,. :smile:


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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The list is really starting to take shape now.

Grab Nat Fyfe as a free agent, Darcy Fogarty (key forward) with our 2017 rd 1 pick and pray that Phillips develops into a quality ruckman and we're all set for a finals assault in 2018 onwards.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blues87 wrote:
The list is really starting to take shape now.

Grab Nat Fyfe as a free agent, Darcy Fogarty (key forward) with our 2017 rd 1 pick and pray that Phillips develops into a quality ruckman and we're all set for a finals assault in 2018 onwards.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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B. Docherty Plowman Weitering
HB. Byrne Marchbank Simpson
C. Sumner Gibbs Cuningham
HF. Palmer Jaksch Smedts
F. Silvagni McKay Wright

R. Phillips Cripps Murphy

I. CCurnow ECurnow Petrevski-Seton Pickett


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:05 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
B. Docherty Plowman Weitering
HB. Byrne Marchbank Simpson
C. Sumner Gibbs Cuningham
HF. Palmer Jaksch Smedts
F. Silvagni McKay Wright

R. Phillips Cripps Murphy

I. CCurnow ECurnow Petrevski-Seton Pickett


Might be short a back up in the ruck.....however, reality aside

....if everything went to plan.....that would be a cracking side given where we have been


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:34 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
B. Docherty Plowman Weitering
HB. Byrne Marchbank Simpson
C. Sumner Gibbs Cuningham
HF. Palmer Jaksch Smedts
F. Silvagni McKay Wright

R. Phillips Cripps Murphy

I. CCurnow ECurnow Petrevski-Seton Pickett


Might be short a back up in the ruck.....however, reality aside

....if everything went to plan.....that would be a cracking side given where we have been


Yep agreed - might swap SPS with Smedts and maybe get Kruez in somehow (Jacksh?) but tat's a really exciting looking side I reckon!

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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bluebo baggers wrote:
london blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
B. Docherty Plowman Weitering
HB. Byrne Marchbank Simpson
C. Sumner Gibbs Cuningham
HF. Palmer Jaksch Smedts
F. Silvagni McKay Wright

R. Phillips Cripps Murphy

I. CCurnow ECurnow Petrevski-Seton Pickett


Might be short a back up in the ruck.....however, reality aside

....if everything went to plan.....that would be a cracking side given where we have been


Yep agreed - might swap SPS with Smedts and maybe get Kruez in somehow (Jacksh?) but tat's a really exciting looking side I reckon!


Seriously ... Jaksch at CHF ... lol

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Rexy wrote:
B. Docherty Plowman Weitering
HB. Byrne Marchbank Simpson
C. Sumner Gibbs Cuningham
HF. Palmer Jaksch Smedts
F. Silvagni McKay Wright

R. Phillips Cripps Murphy

I. CCurnow ECurnow Petrevski-Seton Pickett


Casboult is in our best 22 at the monent. KJ has shown absolutely SFA.
Smedts is an interesting one. I like his footy on a good day.
Byrne won't play until at least mid year. Buckley will get that spot IMO.
Kreuzer doesn't deserve a spot on exposed form even though he played a lot of footy (for him) last year. He will be in there anyway as he is the soul of the club and untouchable. Maybe on the bench or for McKay.

The best thing about that team is that it has run and carry. That's how we won games last year.
The next best thing about it is who isn't in it.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:15 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Rexy wrote:
B. Docherty Plowman Weitering
HB. Byrne Marchbank Simpson
C. Sumner Gibbs Cuningham
HF. Palmer Jaksch Smedts
F. Silvagni McKay Wright

R. Phillips Cripps Murphy

I. CCurnow ECurnow Petrevski-Seton Pickett


Casboult is in our best 22 at the monent. KJ has shown absolutely SFA.
Smedts is an interesting one. I like his footy on a good day.
Byrne won't play until at least mid year. Buckley will get that spot IMO.
Kreuzer doesn't deserve a spot on exposed form even though he played a lot of footy (for him) last year. He will be in there anyway as he is the soul of the club and untouchable. Maybe on the bench or for McKay.

The best thing about that team is that it has run and carry. That's how we won games last year.
The next best thing about it is who isn't in it.


Interesting to see what happens with Casboult and Kreuzer.
I think one of these 2 will be 2nd ruck and the other will miss out if Philips is firing.

However, if Marchbank plays first 22 as expected, then Rowe may take the 2nd ruck spot or a KPF till McKay steps up in 2018.

Macreadie is big quick and mobile, and IMO is going to make the 22 but most likely in 2018. He will move ahead of Jaksch White Jones and Gorringe
From what I know Marchbank is the fastest lead against Macreadie, Plowman and Weitering and may end up forward with McKay in 2018 unless Macreadie steps up in 2017 to hold a KP spot.

Looks like we have sorted our KPs for 2017 onwards.

I expect SPS and Fisher to play in the First 22 in 2017.

Best 22 is a lottery with Sheehan Byrne Sumner Pickett Smedts all coming back to from injury

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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ROUND 1

B) Docherty, Plowman, Rowe
HB) Marchbank, Weitering, Simpson
C) Palmer, Gibbs, Murphy
HF) J.Silvagni, Casboult, Smedts
F) Wright, McKay, Sumner
R) Phillips, Cripps, E.Curnow

I) Kerridge, C.Curnow, Petrevski-Seton, Boekhurst



Cuningham could force his way in with a good pre-season.
Pickett - take a conservative approach with his injury.
Cripps is a question mark - we need to take a conservative approach.

Daisy doesn't deserve a spot in best 22, but probably will squeeze in somewhere.

If McKay is not ready, Kruze gets a game.

Palmer, Murphy, Smedts can rotate through midfield and half forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:41 pm 
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I think army is still a handy half forward until the young kids get going.... Better than bb?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:18 pm 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
I think army is still a handy half forward until the young kids get going.... Better than bb?


I'm an Army fan but I believe he will make way for the next generation. Question is can they step up.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I'm an Army fan. But after having a great patch, he then finished the season with a bit of a whimper. 2nd year in a row too.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:44 am 
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ianh wrote:
Bolt from the Blue wrote:
ianh wrote:
Bolt from the Blue wrote:
B: Plowman Marchbank Smedts
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Buckley Murphy Sumner
HF: C. Curnow Casboult Palmer
F: Wright Rowe Pickett
R: Kreuzer Cripps Gibbs
I: Phillips E. Curnow Silvagni Pick 5
Byrne comes in towards the end of the year.


For me it's a no to:
Smedts in defence
Murphy in the guts
2 ruckmen

How about
Docherty Marchbank Rowe
Simpson Weitering Plowman
Gibbs Cripps Murphy
Pickett "JAKSCH" Silvagni
"CASBOULT" C Curnow Wright
Kreuzer Smedts E Curnow
Armfield Cuningham Palmer Pick 5

With the Casboult and Jaksch spots up for grabs to be taken by the best performed of the tall forwards/ruckmen in the preseason, at least one of whom has to be able to take a spell in the ruck. Unless another tall defender steps up in which case we could look at Rowe forward for one of those spots.

I would have thought my side had more outside run, hence I included 2 ruckmen. You need to expand more on your reasons for the nos. I think Jaksch is being prepared for the backline atm, so I would go for Rowe up forward, but more likely at both ends, inclusion pending. Having Jaksch and Charlie as the 2 key forwards is risky considering their inexperience in games and time there.


Geelong have tried to turn Smedts into a defender with little success. He came to the Geelong as a mid/forward and that is where he should be played IMO.
I think Murph should be played outside more to limit the injury risk and hopefully get more games out of him.
The 2 ruckmen costs us in run. I get that your side has plenty of run but the impact of the 2 ruckmen is very hard to counterbalance and I'd rather not have to try. Then the additional outside run can be a positive not merely an attempt to balance off a negative. That said the team needs someone capable of playing decent minutes as a relief ruck and step in if the main ruck is injured etc.
Take your point re Jaksch and CC being an inexperienced pairing and your comment re Jaksch being primed as a defender. I think he is looked at as a swingman, the problem he has not come on as hoped at either end. But I do like the structure of a swingman at either end, it helps in case of injury, matchups not working and opposition structures being altered from what we expect.

I had Smedts in for Byrne's spot as the back pocket and one who plays on small forwards considering Byrne won't be there for most of next year and was uncertain, and still am, about Sheehan's fitness.
While Petrevski-Seton and Fisher will play seniors, they won't take Murphy's spot in the guts permanently and would rather have them eased into the seniors through other positions such as the HBF or wing; nor are there other replacements and candidates to play there.
But having thought a second time, the back line needs an experienced head down there for a little while to teach Marchbank and the other depth players. Smedts may take Murphy's position but this is said without any certainty as he's injury-prone himself.
With so many depth KPDs on our list, perhaps it is forward after all where Jaksch is to nail a position in our side.
I'm also picky about our wingmen as I still see it in the traditional sense and role, despite what you see on team lists (Gibbs, E. Curnow, Bartel, not players blessed with speed named on the wing)!
Updated best 22:
B: Plowman Rowe Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Simpson
C: Sumner Palmer Smedts
HF: Gibbs C. Curnow Silvagni
F: Wright Casboult Pickett
R: Phillips Cripps Murphy
I: E. Curnow Petrevski-Seton Thomas Cuningham

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:06 pm 
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Another go with a full list.

AFL

B: PLOWMAN - WEITERING - BYRNE
HB: DOCHERTY - MARCHBANK - SIMPSON
C: BOEKHORST - GIBBS - BUCKLEY
HF: PICKETT - MCKAY - SMEDTS
F: C. CURNOW - J. SILVAGNI - SUMNER
R: KREUZER - CRIPPS - MURPHY

I: PALMER - ARMFIELD - CUNNINGHAM - E. CURNOW

VFL

B: MACREADIE - ROWE - A. SILVAGNI
HB: POLSON - JAKSCH - SHEEHAN
C: FISHER - THOMAS - PETREVSKI-SETON
HF: LAMB - KERR - JONES
F: LE BOIS - CASBOULT - WRIGHT
R: PHILLIPS - GRAHAM - KERRIDGE

I: GORRINGE - GALLUCI - GLASS-MCCASKER - WHITE - WILLIAMSON

KORCHEK in the development side.

RND 1. (Assuming Cripps and Byrne unavailable)

B: PLOWMAN - WEITERING - BUCKLEY
HB: DOCHERTY - MARCHBANK - SIMPSON
C: BOEKHORST - GIBBS - PETREVSKI-SETON
HF: PICKETT - MCKAY - SMEDTS
F: C. CURNOW - J. SILVAGNI - SUMNER
R: KREUZER - E. CURNOW - MURPHY

I: PALMER - ARMFIELD - CUNNINGHAM - WRIGHT

BEST UNDER 25:

B: PLOWMAN - WEITERING - BUCKLEY
HB: DOCHERTY - MARCHBANK - POLSON
C: BOEKHORST - SUMNER - PETREVSKI-SETON
HF: PICKETT - MCKAY - C. CURNOW
F: J. SILVAGNI - KERR - LE BOIS
R: GORRINGE - CUNNINGHAM - FISHER

I: GLASS-MACCASKER - MACREADIE - WILLIAMSON - ?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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With a full list I can't see Thomas in the first 22.

He wasn't playing injured in the 2nd half last year and he really struggled.

Watching the drawn GF Thomas played in, he doesn't have anywhere near the pace he showed in that game.

He's cooked...unless a miracle happens.

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