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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:27 pm 
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No premiership coach in league history has ever taken more than five years to at least make a prelim final. Four to go.


Based on this, I want Hardwick reappointed for another decade


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:58 am 
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We have to nail the 2nd 3rd round picks and continue to value the rookie selections.

Players need to run all day...including the big blokes... with speed.

Believe.

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A KPF who can mark AND kick straight.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:05 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
What we learnt is the core of a premiership comes via the draft including 2nd and 3rd round picks and then topped off by trades. I hope Carlton is not doing the opposite


Exactly! When are the club and majority of supporters going to realise this???? Lets pick and develop our own players from the draft.......

Western Bulldogs had 7 recycled players on their list and we have the most at 16* and we want to add 2-3 more GWS players for next year :hitcomputer:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:53 am 
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scottopee wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
What we learnt is the core of a premiership comes via the draft including 2nd and 3rd round picks and then topped off by trades. I hope Carlton is not doing the opposite


Exactly! When are the club and majority of supporters going to realise this???? Lets pick and develop our own players from the draft.......

Western Bulldogs had 7 recycled players on their list and we have the most at 16* and we want to add 2-3 more GWS players for next year :hitcomputer:


We have 16 drug cheats? :yikes:


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:43 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
scottopee wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
What we learnt is the core of a premiership comes via the draft including 2nd and 3rd round picks and then topped off by trades. I hope Carlton is not doing the opposite


Exactly! When are the club and majority of supporters going to realise this???? Lets pick and develop our own players from the draft.......

Western Bulldogs had 7 recycled players on their list and we have the most at 16* and we want to add 2-3 more GWS players for next year :hitcomputer:


We have 16 drug cheats? :yikes:


No the 16* was because Essendon* had more recycled players then us but that was forced so we win..........


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We can learn two things imo:

1. It ain't over till its over.
2. Grace. The handing over of his premiership medal to Murphy summed up the whole thing to me. Best moment in sport for years.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:17 pm 
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scottopee wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
What we learnt is the core of a premiership comes via the draft including 2nd and 3rd round picks and then topped off by trades. I hope Carlton is not doing the opposite


Exactly! When are the club and majority of supporters going to realise this???? Lets pick and develop our own players from the draft.......

Western Bulldogs had 7 recycled players on their list and we have the most at 16* and we want to add 2-3 more GWS players for next year :hitcomputer:


POW, THIS!!! X 10000000000 Could not agree more!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:30 pm 
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2ndeffort wrote:
scottopee wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
What we learnt is the core of a premiership comes via the draft including 2nd and 3rd round picks and then topped off by trades. I hope Carlton is not doing the opposite


Exactly! When are the club and majority of supporters going to realise this???? Lets pick and develop our own players from the draft.......

Western Bulldogs had 7 recycled players on their list and we have the most at 16* and we want to add 2-3 more GWS players for next year :hitcomputer:


POW, THIS!!! X 10000000000 Could not agree more!



Tell Pratt and Mathieson that.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:23 pm 
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I want us to win a flag just so everyone will think recycled players are the way to go.

And no other reason


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:51 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:23 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
I want us to win a flag just so everyone will think recycled players are the way to go.

And no other reason


This....

What I take out of the Western Bulldogs winning the flag is that there are many ways to skin a cat. There is not just a single path to Premiership success, aka. the Hawthorn model. The Dogs showed that they were able to defy the statistics, and win from 7th on the ladder, with two interstate eliminations, well before even their most ambitious internal predictions. 2 years ago they were in tatters, according to the media. Losing their Captain, and overpaying for a young Tom Boyd who had yet to prove he was worth the number one pick, let alone a long term, multi-million dollar contract. How the worm turns. People seem to only focus on all the 3rd and 4th round picks, and shrewd rookie selections they've made.

I can't see the sense in saying that our list of recycled players is the reason for pre-determined failure. Particularly, when the majority of those trades have not been given enough time to succeed, and that there has never before in history been a situation like what we see with GWS. They have had more concessions from the AFL than any team in history, to encourage a growth in the Sydney market, with another successful team. For us to capitalise on this, particularly as they are forced to reduce their playing list, and as they feel the salary cap squeeze as their young stars demand increased wages, is wise. Furthermore, Silvagni has intimate knowledge of their list build and how to exploit this situation. We have secured many of these players well under, with the understanding that some wouldn't work out.

If we're not following the same model as everyone else, but we find ourselves playing finals in 2018, the media will be lauding our approach by appointing Bolts, SOS, and how they built a successful team from scratch from the draft, and discards from other clubs. It all hinges on success.

To the doubters, I think this approach was necessary due to the need for a complete rebuild. Look at how many players have already been moved on last year. I can't believe how many poster's were proclaiming how the loss of Henderson (who played poorly most of the year), Menzel (who played poorly all year), and Yarran (who played poorly most of the year) would spell our demise. A brave approach was needed and we got good currency for these players. Those are the same players we complained about (rightly so) during season 2015 because they were unfit, not dedicated, weren't invested. SOS turned them into high draft picks.

Much more needs to be done. More brave decisions need to be made. I see now supporters cringing at the possibility of losing Bryce Gibbs, because he's a leader and he's elite, but won't accept that he has value to us now, and that we could potentially trade him to Adelaide for pick 13. Couldn't we trade that on to Sydney for Mitchell? With Daisy and Liam Jones out of contract next year, freeing up over a million dollars in the salary cap, could we try and lure Nat Fyfe as a free agent, or get creative and secure a young Isaac Heeney! We've still got a lot of players who are fringe players who have yet to prove themselves, and realistically, some of those won't make it. But we'll have new players coming in again this year and I'm excited to see Year 2 of the 'reset'.

Lastly, Bolts announced a 'no limits' policy at the start of 'the journey'. This propaganda mission was massively successful as the footy world watched on with interest. What a PR success. This needs to be done again to win the hearts of those players we'll be encouraging to come to us, as we strive to be the new 'destination club'. It won't hurt to increase the membership base either.

There is no doubt that Western Bulldogs personified that 'no limits' mantra in 2016, surprising everyone. I get excited about the possibilities we can look forward to over the next two years if we can adopt that same mindset.

GO BLUES

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:44 am 
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Use of talls is the best one to me - swap Roughhead / Boyd around and then you have a third average tall only in Z.Cordy (who has a few tricks but not a lot) plus a range of midfielders and you have a hard running team built around a structure.

I fear our talls are just a noose.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2016 8:16 am 
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Talrahir wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
I want us to win a flag just so everyone will think recycled players are the way to go.

And no other reason


This....

What I take out of the Western Bulldogs winning the flag is that there are many ways to skin a cat. There is not just a single path to Premiership success, aka. the Hawthorn model. The Dogs showed that they were able to defy the statistics, and win from 7th on the ladder, with two interstate eliminations, well before even their most ambitious internal predictions. 2 years ago they were in tatters, according to the media. Losing their Captain, and overpaying for a young Tom Boyd who had yet to prove he was worth the number one pick, let alone a long term, multi-million dollar contract. How the worm turns. People seem to only focus on all the 3rd and 4th round picks, and shrewd rookie selections they've made.

I can't see the sense in saying that our list of recycled players is the reason for pre-determined failure. Particularly, when the majority of those trades have not been given enough time to succeed, and that there has never before in history been a situation like what we see with GWS. They have had more concessions from the AFL than any team in history, to encourage a growth in the Sydney market, with another successful team. For us to capitalise on this, particularly as they are forced to reduce their playing list, and as they feel the salary cap squeeze as their young stars demand increased wages, is wise. Furthermore, Silvagni has intimate knowledge of their list build and how to exploit this situation. We have secured many of these players well under, with the understanding that some wouldn't work out.

If we're not following the same model as everyone else, but we find ourselves playing finals in 2018, the media will be lauding our approach by appointing Bolts, SOS, and how they built a successful team from scratch from the draft, and discards from other clubs. It all hinges on success.

To the doubters, I think this approach was necessary due to the need for a complete rebuild. Look at how many players have already been moved on last year. I can't believe how many poster's were proclaiming how the loss of Henderson (who played poorly most of the year), Menzel (who played poorly all year), and Yarran (who played poorly most of the year) would spell our demise. A brave approach was needed and we got good currency for these players. Those are the same players we complained about (rightly so) during season 2015 because they were unfit, not dedicated, weren't invested. SOS turned them into high draft picks.

Much more needs to be done. More brave decisions need to be made. I see now supporters cringing at the possibility of losing Bryce Gibbs, because he's a leader and he's elite, but won't accept that he has value to us now, and that we could potentially trade him to Adelaide for pick 13. Couldn't we trade that on to Sydney for Mitchell? With Daisy and Liam Jones out of contract next year, freeing up over a million dollars in the salary cap, could we try and lure Nat Fyfe as a free agent, or get creative and secure a young Isaac Heeney! We've still got a lot of players who are fringe players who have yet to prove themselves, and realistically, some of those won't make it. But we'll have new players coming in again this year and I'm excited to see Year 2 of the 'reset'.

Lastly, Bolts announced a 'no limits' policy at the start of 'the journey'. This propaganda mission was massively successful as the footy world watched on with interest. What a PR success. This needs to be done again to win the hearts of those players we'll be encouraging to come to us, as we strive to be the new 'destination club'. It won't hurt to increase the membership base either.

There is no doubt that Western Bulldogs personified that 'no limits' mantra in 2016, surprising everyone. I get excited about the possibilities we can look forward to over the next two years if we can adopt that same mindset.

GO BLUES


Common sense prevails.

The GWS concessions were always a stockpile of high end TALENT, and were there for the taking.

The GWS would eventually have to release players, or players would want to go back home. These are not retreads or discards. These are first round draftees and most likely have some development under their belt...plus we've had a good look at them too...through the eyes of SOS.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:31 am 
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Get the umpires on side?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:10 am 
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Our list is full of top 20 draft picks .... we have built using the draft and inparticular top draft picks.


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We need more "good blokes you can have a beer with" who will kidney punch, snipe, and generally act dirty on field but will get away with it over and over

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:16 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
We need more "good blokes you can have a beer with" who will kidney punch, snipe, and generally act dirty on field but will get away with it over and over


I thought the Hawks missed out this year?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:50 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
We need more "good blokes you can have a beer with" who will kidney punch, snipe, and generally act dirty on field but will get away with it over and over


I thought the Hawks missed out this year?


They did, but part of getting the umps on side is tracking down the Hawthorn route with the "good blokes", and down the Bulldogs route with some of the footy

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 9:01 am 
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Will our players start having pre-game drinks with the maggots to get on their good side ala the hawks?

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