For a second there, I thought it was a typo.

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Nah, a bet each way by the looks of it.

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Fair point.

There is no point trading him if we are only after a player from this coming draft. Id imagine the pick will be used in some sort of elaborate trade that gets us a couple of players. Hoping that one will be as good as Tuohy and the other/s adding to our lists depth.

That of course has nothing to do with the discussion on what Tuohy is worth. The reason we think we can easily cover him is the reason i think he is worth a pick in the late teens/ early twenties. He is a back pocket player.

a) How good is Marchbank? (compared to, say Tomlinson, who seemed to be our preference until he became regular senior player for GWS?)

b) From what I've seen of Hoskin-Elliot he is SUPER talented but perhaps not the work ethic to realise his potential?

c) I think we did much better than if Bradshaw & Rischitelli had joined - I now think of it as Fev for McKay...

I wonder how many clubs are chasing Boekhorst?
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/saints-eyeing-bomber-laverde-20160913-grfd18.html

NB: I hope BB turns out to be a great player for us; just think that we could have got him with the next pick whilst also grabbing Leverde with pick 20...

Laverde bombed his draft camp interviews on purpose to get to Essendon*. Can't see him leaving being a devoted Hirdist and all.

Of course Ken Wood is all over this.

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Wow - very interesting. I did not know about this.
Does this exonerate those who selected Boekhorst with pick 20?

PS. If a player intentionally tampers with the draft in order to end up at Essendon*, I suspect Ken Wood would simply take the view that their new home is punishment enough...

We went from 12th in the AFL last year for disposal efficiency to 6th. Above a number of finals sides.

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So their wasn't any other players to pick apart from Boekhorst?? Please

Goddard.

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He was widely touted as top 8 pre draft....and somehow slid all the way to pick 20.

Essendon* were so confident we wouldn't pick him they picked Langford before Laverde and from what I know we were no chance of picking Langford either.

He was widely touted as top 8 pre draft....and somehow slid all the way to pick 20. He also trained with Hooker pre draft.

Essendon* were so confident we wouldn't pick him they picked Langford before Laverde and from what I know we were no chance of picking Langford either.

Kavanagh (including his father) made it very clear to the world pre draft he would only play for his beloved Bombers under Hird.

Tuohy is a nice bargaining chip heading into trade week. I'd rather trade him instead of having to use any of our first and second picks in 2016 and 2017.

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Boekhorst... lol. Another draft disaster. Move him on ASAP.

What the last 10-15 years has shown is that if youa re going to be a serious contender, you need to have some 2-3 good years in the draft. ie. almost every pick in a particular draft turns into an A- or B-grader This might be done through luck (eg. father son) or shrewd planning, but inevitably, the more draft picks you have early, the higher the probability you will acheive this.

I think last year will be one of those draft for us, but we need another 2 over the next 3 years. We need to buy into this or next years draft. Given that is supposedly an even draft, I thin it should be this year, but I guess we will see. Now I think you can trade for established players and if you look at what draft they came from, then you can turn an OK draft into one of these great drafts. Important thing is that they are the same age (cohort). Now if you go and select Boekhorst as your first pick then you are already in trouble. So if we do trade for Marchbank, then his cohort are Boekhorst, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow, Clem Smith. One has been delisted, one doesn't look like getting a game, and we all know Boekhorst is bust.

This is why we should not even bother with Marchbank. Lets look at the year before Boekhorst. Cripps is the only one left playing- so no capacity to build up that draft. 2012 (probably too far back), but lets look at it. We have Plowman and Nick Graham- the rest have been delisted or traded.

In my opinion, this is one of the main reasons that we should not be looking for trading for players like Marchbank- we should be concentrating on buying into the next two drafts as much as we can. The more high draft picks we have, the more likely we will develop 3-4 players from each draft.

Touhy is one of very few we might consider trading who could possibly return a top 30 pick:
- Touhy - 2nd round wouldvbe nice
- Casboult - 2nd round to a team who thinks they could help him kick. otherwise, 3rd round
- Gibbs - top 10 pick if we were prepared to let him go
- E Curnow - quiet achiever worth late 1st round or pick in 20s, IMO
- Murphy - I would trade the captain but could get top 10 pick for him
- Kruezer - 1st rounder to the right suitor but more likely a pick in the 20s

Obviously, I've excluded any players under 24yrs or those we've recently brought into the club.
Can't think of any others who could possibly get us a top 30 pick.
And it is far from certain that Touhy, Casboult or Curnow would either.
Kruezer 50/50 on his value to another club. 2016 may have improved his prospects in terms of resilience, but may have hurt in terms of performance.

If we can trade 3 of those, we could end up with 5 picks in the top 30 (incl 2 in the top 10, if gibbs is one of those).
With 2 in the top 10, I think we're on track. If not, I don't think 5 picks in top 30, with 4 in the 20s is good enough unless we absolutely nail every one of those picks (which is historically impossible).

We may need to package up a bunch of average players and sell as some sort of 'subprime bundle' which we can sell at a super-premium rate??

How will we manufacture a second top 10 pick?

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Gibbs, but we need to pull the trigger this year (can't see it happening)

Given the draft is supposedly deep, I would consider trading pick 6 for two picks int he teens (ie 16 and 17 that GWS have).

They have picks in the 30s too, so if they really didn't want to give up picks 16 and 17, the picks 16 and 32 and 34 might work.

perhaps pick 6 for 16, 32 and Marchbank might work if we really really want Marchbank

Remember, GWS will also get an ok pick or two from Freo for McCarthy

Don't we get Pick 5?

I'd consider trading that for two other 1st round picks but would probably want at least one of those in the top 10.
I think in 2013, Melbourne traded out their pick 2 in return for Dom Tyson (Pick 3 form 2011) and Pick 9 - something like that but with another high pick in place of Tyson...