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Maybe Waite didn't buy into Malthouse message.
He spent the early part of his career down back because there was no room for him forward with Fev.
The middle part he seemed to be always injured.
When he appeared to be fitter Malthouse dropped him .
Its far easier for him to shine at North when he is not the only avenue to goal.
Just like Pagan tried to make Fev a Carey Malthouse tried to make Waite his Cloke.
Waite was never going to be the focal point of attack and if North lose Brown Petrie etc Waite will not be as dominant

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:24 pm 
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Betts - wanted $50K more to stay - swan and mick wanted daisy - now playing better
Waite - wanted 1 yr more guarentee not an option for 1 yr - =playing better, not injured whilst getting older and not suspended since leaving us - waite says north have better rehab-now playing better
Garlett - club couldn't manage his personal issues - not supported by club-now playing better
Kennedy - quick fix for Judd-now playing better
Jacobs - result of the quick fix got us warnock to help Judd - Jacobs left for greater opportunity as there were 3 rucks kruez, hammer and warnock-now playing better
Laidler - mick isolated him -left for a premiership culture in swans after leaving premiership culture in geelong to us-now playing better
Henderson - left for better premiership culture-now playing better
robinson - b and f since leaving us-now playing better

grigg - average
yarran - less than average - not fit and injured since leaving us
menzel - less than average - cant get a game with crows

ps. bell left for family - not relevant


contrary to what I have said before, it is now arguable that the above does not necessarily reflect bad recruitment - if reflects poor development and club culture....


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Sydney Blue wrote:
Maybe Waite didn't buy into Malthouse message.
He spent the early part of his career down back because there was no room for him forward with Fev.
The middle part he seemed to be always injured.
When he appeared to be fitter Malthouse dropped him .
Its far easier for him to shine at North when he is not the only avenue to goal.
Just like Pagan tried to make Fev a Carey Malthouse tried to make Waite his Cloke.
Waite was never going to be the focal point of attack and if North lose Brown Petrie etc Waite will not be as dominant

What was waite under ratts? Lol

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:43 pm 
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what I have been told is Waite is practically on the same wage as a second year player. He went to norf for security that we wouldn't offer. And at the time we were well within our rights to only offer 1 year + trigger for 2nd. Let's not pretend Waite was playing at this standard in 2014. In fact he spent some of 2014 in the VFL.

Credit to Norf for getting his mind & body right but at the time Waite was lazy and injury prone and over 30. Facing a rebuild - he's not the type we should've given a guaranteed 2 years too.


Agree with this too. I remember Waite playing against Geelong in his last season with us. Harry Taylor ran him up and down the ground a couple of times and he was so exhausted he was bent over retching. Was so stuffed after that that he could hardly provide a contest, in a tight finish gave us nothing when the ball came in.

There's nothing like football mortality staring you in the face (and no longer being a big fish in a small pond) to concentrate the mind. I don't know what money Carlton offered, but I believe he was on a motza previously. I had heard (seemingly erroneously) that he was offered a two year deal at Carlton but wanted three.


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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 4:52 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
what I have been told is Waite is practically on the same wage as a second year player. He went to norf for security that we wouldn't offer. And at the time we were well within our rights to only offer 1 year + trigger for 2nd. Let's not pretend Waite was playing at this standard in 2014. In fact he spent some of 2014 in the VFL.

Credit to Norf for getting his mind & body right but at the time Waite was lazy and injury prone and over 30. Facing a rebuild - he's not the type we should've given a guaranteed 2 years too.


Agree with this too. I remember Waite playing against Geelong in his last season with us. Harry Taylor ran him up and down the ground a couple of times and he was so exhausted he was bent over retching. Was so stuffed after that that he could hardly provide a contest, in a tight finish gave us nothing when the ball came in.

There's nothing like football mortality staring you in the face (and no longer being a big fish in a small pond) to concentrate the mind. I don't know what money Carlton offered, but I believe he was on a motza previously. I had heard (seemingly erroneously) that he was offered a two year deal at Carlton but wanted three.


the phrase "rebuild" is the all purpose get out clause for the Board - 7 of the current 8 directors have been in charge for the last 3.5 years

no one has mentioned a "rebuild" of the Board.... :thanks:


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Sydney Blue wrote:
Maybe Waite didn't buy into Malthouse message.
He spent the early part of his career down back because there was no room for him forward with Fev.
The middle part he seemed to be always injured.
When he appeared to be fitter Malthouse dropped him .
Its far easier for him to shine at North when he is not the only avenue to goal.
Just like Pagan tried to make Fev a Carey Malthouse tried to make Waite his Cloke.
Waite was never going to be the focal point of attack and if North lose Brown Petrie etc Waite will not be as dominant



sorry I don't agree Sydney
waite was a great focal point and always a reliable kp (as far a performance goes) but unfortunately we didn't have another to support him (apart from betts :lol: )
I think the reason he is performing the way he is, is because of the other options north have around him and because he can't get away with the shit he did with us call that maturity or management but changing clubs sometimes has that effect on a players commitment and mental capacity
I would also question our medical department also


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redback wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Maybe Waite didn't buy into Malthouse message.
He spent the early part of his career down back because there was no room for him forward with Fev.
The middle part he seemed to be always injured.
When he appeared to be fitter Malthouse dropped him .
Its far easier for him to shine at North when he is not the only avenue to goal.
Just like Pagan tried to make Fev a Carey Malthouse tried to make Waite his Cloke.
Waite was never going to be the focal point of attack and if North lose Brown Petrie etc Waite will not be as dominant



sorry I don't agree Sydney
waite was a great focal point and always a reliable kp (as far a performance goes) but unfortunately we didn't have another to support him (apart from betts :lol: )
I think the reason he is performing the way he is, is because of the other options north have around him and because he can't get away with the shit he did with us call that maturity or management but changing clubs sometimes has that effect on a players commitment and mental capacity
I would also question our medical department also


agree


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redback wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Maybe Waite didn't buy into Malthouse message.
He spent the early part of his career down back because there was no room for him forward with Fev.
The middle part he seemed to be always injured.
When he appeared to be fitter Malthouse dropped him .
Its far easier for him to shine at North when he is not the only avenue to goal.
Just like Pagan tried to make Fev a Carey Malthouse tried to make Waite his Cloke.
Waite was never going to be the focal point of attack and if North lose Brown Petrie etc Waite will not be as dominant



sorry I don't agree Sydney
waite was a great focal point and always a reliable kp (as far a performance goes) but unfortunately we didn't have another to support him (apart from betts :lol: )
I think the reason he is performing the way he is, is because of the other options north have around him and because he can't get away with the shit he did with us call that maturity or management but changing clubs sometimes has that effect on a players commitment and mental capacity
I would also question our medical department also

He's playing as a shinboner..
Kudos to him and north!

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 8:41 pm 
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dane wrote:
Arnhem blues wrote:
feeling a bit depressed about the ex blues this week.
Whilst there was some mild justice in that Hampson didn't star, to see Grigg get a BOG (or close to it), Robbo get a BOG and Hendo get a team of the week for full back, added to the usual recent success of Betts and Waite is a little flattening.

At least Thomas was great this week...


RICHMOND v PORT ADELAIDE
10 Matthew Broadbent (PA)
8 Jared Polec (PA)
5 Shaun Grigg (Rich)
3 Jarman Impey (PA)
2 Travis Boak (PA)
2 Jack Hombsch (PA)

BRISBANE LIONS v SYDNEY SWANS
10 Lance Franklin (Syd)
8 Dayne Zorko (BL)
3 Luke Parker (Syd)
3 Tom Rockliff (BL)
2 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
2 Mitch Robinson (BL)
1 Daniel Rich (BL)
1 Kurt Tippett (Syd)



serves me right for just going from SEN! Thanks for the realignment dane.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:51 pm 
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Carlton 7.5 just beat Jacobs & Betts 6.0

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There were 14 of them this year with 2 not getting on the park and 2 not hitting the scoreboard
It appears inaccurate kicking is costing us

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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blues 224 224 1568
Ex Blues 248 115 1603

There were 14 of them this year with 2 not getting on the park and 2 not hitting the scoreboard
It appears inaccurate kicking is costing us


FMD

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:51 am 
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yes but we know Mick gutted our forward line been obvious for 3 years now - trick is now to rebuild so it is better than when we had those players - but in my view the only one we really are missing is eddie and perhaps garlett- waite garlett menzel yarran bell have all had ordinary seasons and generally injured and were amongst our regular goal kickers previously
betts Henderson and Jacobs have been good and perhaps missed but apart from betts aren't forwards- robinson ok at Brisbane but not starring and not a forward - laidler just going in Sydney


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redback wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Maybe Waite didn't buy into Malthouse message.
He spent the early part of his career down back because there was no room for him forward with Fev.
The middle part he seemed to be always injured.
When he appeared to be fitter Malthouse dropped him .
Its far easier for him to shine at North when he is not the only avenue to goal.
Just like Pagan tried to make Fev a Carey Malthouse tried to make Waite his Cloke.
Waite was never going to be the focal point of attack and if North lose Brown Petrie etc Waite will not be as dominant



sorry I don't agree Sydney
waite was a great focal point and always a reliable kp (as far a performance goes) but unfortunately we didn't have another to support him (apart from betts :lol: )
I think the reason he is performing the way he is, is because of the other options north have around him and because he can't get away with the shit he did with us call that maturity or management but changing clubs sometimes has that effect on a players commitment and mental capacity
I would also question our medical department also

Are you Rex Mossop, Redback?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:38 pm 
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A big thank you to the channel 7 commentators last night.
Just as Eddie kicked his 5th goal for the night and the Crows supporters were chanting his name we got told that Betts, Kennedy, Waite and Garlett has kicked 212 goals between them this year and Carlton kicked 220 odd for the year.
Like we needed to have our noses rubbed in it didn't we?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:50 pm 
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That was bloody Richo Kezza
Let's face it everyone likes him but he is hardly part of the intelligentsia also as a commentator is captain obvious -doesn't give great insight and Richo was one of the reasons Richmond have been bad for years selfish petulant never laid a tackle and it was always about him rather than the team
His attempted repartee with BT is nauseating and just shows how dumb they both are
He ought to concentrate on giving the viewers some insight into games because he is terrible and instead of worrying about Carlton he should be worried about Richmond imploding and continuing to badly underperform


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:58 pm 
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Kennedy hasn't played for Carlton for close to a decade, Waite is cooked, and Garlett was dropped at least once during the season.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:05 pm 
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& besides, 220-212 is a win to us isn't it?

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Also, Adelaide may have gained 72 goals from Betts but they have also lost 50 from Gunston, 23 from Dangerfield and 22 from Wright, so they're actually behind overall.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:20 pm 
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kezza wrote:
A big thank you to the channel 7 commentators last night.
Just as Eddie kicked his 5th goal for the night and the Crows supporters were chanting his name we got told that Betts, Kennedy, Waite and Garlett has kicked 212 goals between them this year and Carlton kicked 220 odd for the year.
Like we needed to have our noses rubbed in it didn't we?


Pretty sure in 2015 those 4 kicked more goals than Carlton. So we're clearly improving.


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