Just ask charlie curnow, whose season he ended

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You won't get a packet of chips for Kruezer by then....

ANd Gibbs will be worth more to us than we will ever get for him

With good supply, Casboult would dominate ... kicking will always be a problem though.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Agreed, we should also have delisted Fevola that time he destroyed Whitnall's shoulder.
Forwards attacking the footy is something we simply should not tolerate!

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Full Forwards kicking less goals than games played is probably something else we shouldn't tolerate. What do you reckon champ?


........... BANG

More like a whimper than a bang.
It appears you're now attempting to change the subject because your previous point is looking like swiss cheese.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Probably a sparkler........

Not sure how pointing out the Levi plays more games than kicks goals as a FF is changing topic, but each to their own... good luck to you, sunshine

Seriously, is that a turtle or a kid under a carlton doona?

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

you are changing the topic because of swiss cheese, or something

You can throw Swiss cheese or Brendan Fevola at me,

but seriously, step away from being an invested Carlton supporter for the moment and tell me if any club other than Richmond would have given Levi Casbolt 5 years plus with no significant improvement.

let's look at some stats-

Average marks
2012- 5.2
2015- 5.2
2016- 5.4

Average Goals
2012- 1.2
2015- 1.5
2016- 0.9

Average Disposals
2012- 9.0
2015- 9.4
2016- 9.5

That first year output was quite solid for a first year full forward- the problem is the trajectory, which has not improved significantly in any category. Josh Kennedy is a good comparison. He took quite a while to get going and for 3 years was kicking less than 0.6 goals per game. At the same stage as Cas, he was averaging 2 goals per game and is now well over 3 goals per game. Cas will never do that, but his trajectory is down, not up.

Jonathon Patton- a player who has played in probably worse sides than us, is at the same stage has gone from 0.6 goals per game to now 1.6 goals per game- it has been up and down, but importantly, his disposals and marks have had an upward trajectory- including two knee reconstructions.

Problem for Cas is that he has shown no capacity to convert better, meaning that if he is not marking more and having more shots, he will alsways average less than a goal per game. Tom Hawkins is also a good comparison. He takes about the same amount of marks (comparing at similar stage of their careers), but averages more twice as many goals per game. he converts.

We have given him another year, so I guess the point is mute, but he has not had any serious injuries, so it is amazing he has played so many games without any significant improvement. Now don't give me the argument that he was a rookie and the others are high draft picks. It makes no difference at all.

If kicking is always the problem, then he will need to double the average marks he takes per game (ie. 10-11 marks per game) to average 2 goals per game.

Tony Lockett only averaged 0.9 marks per game more than what Levi does (6.3 marks per game_
Stephen Kernahan 1.6 marks extra (7.0 marks per game)
Jason Dunstall 1.2 marks extra (6.6 marks per game)
Gary Ablett 0.4 marks extra (5.8 marks per game)

This means that he will need to be a 30-40% better mark than the best forwards that ever played the game- just to average the same number of goals as what Tom Hawkins does.

Reckon that will happen?

So if his stats in a poor team (read poor delivery etc) is not as good as the greats of the game (Kennedy, Ablet, Locket, Dunstall, etc.) in great teams playing finals then trade him? Seriously? The "bang" comment for such a mediocre point gave me a good laugh tonight tho. Sunshine champ. Haha.

Seriously at least you tried to make your point with stats but it's an unfair stat comparison.

Look at my stats comparing Patton and Kennedy to him. Both were in poor teams when they started.

My comparison to the greats was just to show that at his current conversion rate, he would need to mark 100℅ more than what he does now to make his goal return acceptable.

I thought some people would enjoy the bang, got to liven thing up around here now the season is done

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So who is next to step up to defend Levi Casbolt as a bona fide AFL player?


Bwahahahahahaha, do you know how funny that sounds. Although there is a serious side here. Anyone who has put 41 on their child's jersey should be investigated by DoCS.


But go for it anyway

Anyhoo,


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I was at the start of the year after he finally showed promise last year. But nope - im off now.

I said at the start of the year a target of 30+ goals this year would be a pass mark. Obviously he was well below that.


I'd be offering up for trade. If we got a pick in the 20-30 range I would be very happy. Draft Patrick Kerr or Karl Brown.

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They signed him didn't they? How many players re-sign and get traded a month later.

Think we've got him for good... And mostly bad

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Jake Niall "On The Couch" reporting that North Melbourne have offered Tuohy a deal which he is strongly considering. No word on what player/picks they have offered Carlton.

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You just know the offer will be shit from Norf.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Anyone born in the 80s should be shopped around. We need more top 30 picks.

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If he does go I hope we get bloody good compensation!