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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:27 pm 
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Serge Silvagni

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bluebo baggers wrote:
Dick, Wood, Foster the first 3 to go.

Kind of appropriate that Dick and Wood got the arse together

(Even though Wood retired)


Also appropriate (and cleaner) to refer to two of these three getting the chop together - anyone for a Foster Woodchop reference?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:42 pm 
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Already 5 down... 6 if rumors that Clem has packed his bags and gone home already are true.


Unless we manage another package deal with GWS to bring in a group of players, that's probably about it for list changes this year. Unlikely to pick up more than 6-7 new players through draft and trading.

I'd expect most of the rookies to be gone as well.

Clearly our list needs another few years to clear out all the dead wood.


Great post! and couldn't agree more.

While we all realise that the list needs to be cut deep, we don't have the ability to replace them. We just won't have the picks or trade currency...unless SOS can weave some sort of crazy magic.

Our first 5 selections are pick 5, pick 23, pick 41, pick 49, and pick 77.

So far, we've got 4 senior positions to fill (Walker, Jamison, Foster, Dick). Where there's smoke, there's fire, so let's say that Clem Smith is gone too. That's five senior positions to fill. Let's look at this independently of the rookie list.

We have 5 positions to fill and 5 selections available. If we all cry for Mark Whiley to be delisted, we're not able to replace him with anyone unless we can get some sort of package deal with GWS like last year. An alternative would be to move him to the rookie list on a 1 year deal, and elevate a rookie during the draft period. The only exception is if we end up with a Free Agent. I don't know how many there are left, that haven't re-signed with their original clubs already.

1 rookie position (Wood) has been made available due to his retirement, and assuming Korcheck, Sheehan and Byrne are all Cat B Rookies, we still have 3 Cat A rookies on the list out of a maximum 6. So there is room to move in the rookie list if we wanted to move some bodies around. Remember, we only have 1 veteran player (Grandpa Simpson) so we can nominate a rookie for senior selection. Obiously, none of these decisions need to be made now, before the draft, or even this year. It could certainly be used as an incentive for all players, rookies included, that anyone could play in round 1, 2017.

Of course, we could move some battlers on for mediocre picks, but expect battlers in there place. I don't see this as much of a solution unless we're shifting the age profile of the list. Getting rid of White (28yo), for instance, and getting a 22-23 year old battler in his place might not be a bad move but we're not necessarily moving forward to much, and its unlikely to happen anyway.

I wrote a post a little while back, talking about a couple of years of changing 7 senior players, like our 2015 draft/trade period, would have our list in great shape for the 2018 season. On further reflection, I don't think we have the player currency to be able to pull off a similar feat, and for this reason, I might have been off the mark and it may not be until after the 2018 draft that we'll be in our happy place, list wise.

I thought about Gibbs being traded to Adelaide, because of the whole age profile, premiership window reason. I've posted this previously. But the Crows only have 14 and 50, and I just can't see them giving up 14. I initially thought I wouldn't take 14 anyway, but I really think I would. Perhaps 14 and they give us their 50 for our 77 so we move up at the tail of the draft (where we still expect to be active). I didn't want to get into a trade rant, so I'll save that for another post.

I'd be interested in what you all think.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:09 pm 
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Tutt, Whiley and Rainbow with a lack of game time in the seniors this year, which puts them on thin ice I reckon. Even if we were to keep one, they might end up on the rookie list. I can't see all 3 being kept.

Maybe they will look for a free agent like the Wright scenario from last year. Not sure how they will fill the list, but I reckon at least 7 or 8 will be cut from the main list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:12 pm 
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Thinking a bit more, don't GWS have a heap of early picks this year? I wonder if we do a trade whether that would see some picks coming back our way (ones which they won't use anyway)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:22 pm 
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Would like us to have a look at Mitchell and colquhorn as DFA's. Think they could add a bit while we cut the dead wood


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:41 pm 
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Harry Vallence

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Talrahir wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Already 5 down... 6 if rumors that Clem has packed his bags and gone home already are true.


Unless we manage another package deal with GWS to bring in a group of players, that's probably about it for list changes this year. Unlikely to pick up more than 6-7 new players through draft and trading.

I'd expect most of the rookies to be gone as well.

Clearly our list needs another few years to clear out all the dead wood.


Great post! and couldn't agree more.

While we all realise that the list needs to be cut deep, we don't have the ability to replace them. We just won't have the picks or trade currency...unless SOS can weave some sort of crazy magic.

Our first 5 selections are pick 5, pick 23, pick 41, pick 49, and pick 77.



We will also have pick 16 from Geelong for last years Henderson deal.

Based on the supposed depth of talent this year we should get some decent players with picks 5, 16 and 23.

I would not be giving up any experienced quality players like Gibbs or Murphy as this is flawed logic to me.

Let's assume that we decent talent in next few years and are competitive in 4-5 years, then Gibbs would be Simmos (AA team) age now and should be considered cream on top of young talented team. Statistics will also show that there's only a 50% chance that the player we get for Gibbs will still be on the list by then and even less that they will be A grade and make no mistake Gibbs is A grade.

The lottery of the draft means that we need to carpet bomb the draft and I would rather look more to trading to get multiple top 20 picks rather than 1 top ten pick. Not sure how you could orchestrate this, but the more first round and early second round picks we have the more likely we are to find decent players.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:43 pm 
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We don't have pick 16 this year, we traded it to GWS last year in return for pick 8 in last year's draft, which we then used on Harry McKay.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:49 pm 
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AK43 wrote:
We don't have pick 16 this year, we traded it to GWS last year in return for pick 8 in last year's draft, which we then used on Harry McKay.


Sorry I missed that


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:50 pm 
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Beat me to it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:52 pm 
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Our 4th round pick has also been traded to the Dogs.

Waiting for a SOS masterstroke again, cant wait to see what he does this year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:52 pm 
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ROUND ONE
5 Carlton
17 Greater Western Sydney (received Geelong's first-round pick, via Carlton)

ROUND TWO
23 Carlton

ROUND THREE
41 Carlton
49 Carlton (received the Western Bulldogs' third-round pick)

ROUND FOUR
59 Western Bulldogs (received Carlton's fourth-round pick)

ROUND FIVE
77 Carlton


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:55 pm 
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Blue Tongue wrote:
Our 4th round pick has also been traded to the Dogs.

Waiting for a SOS masterstroke again, cant wait to see what he does this year.


It won't be much. Last year we had players with talent who wanted out.

This year we don't.

Id rather we keep all our picks and hit the draft. Not much else we can do. Hands are tied this year.

Trading of players is very rare.

The only trade Id do is trying to upgrade one of our picks....as we have 2 3rd rounders but that will be tough.

Looking forward to the months of posts about "we should trade ship out so and so" when there isn't any value left in the list

and the...lets get another first rounder blah blah.

Reality is, we have no value legg in the list


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 12:16 am 
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cottaz wrote:
Would like us to have a look at Mitchell and colquhorn as DFA's. Think they could add a bit while we cut the dead wood


Wasn't Calquhorn the one who had a Twitter stoush with Gibbs?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 1:06 am 
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Just love the rhythmic fatalism in this thread - delicious news - not!

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Hopefully depth in the draft is being considered. Last year was considered thin. We went heavily for early, thus obvious picks and it seems to have paid off.
This year we may be looking at a bunch in second and third round as there's a heap of talent and it will be a lottery anyway?
I don't know, just saying, but it will influence how hard we go for what picks.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:34 am 
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I'd say we would give some thought about turning pick 5 into two top 15 picks and turning our two 3rd rounders into a 2nd Rd pick. Aim for 4 picks under 30.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 1:33 pm 
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steve wrote:
Thinking a bit more, don't GWS have a heap of early picks this year? I wonder if we do a trade whether that would see some picks coming back our way (ones which they won't use anyway)


They do, and a few players to be traded out as well. We'll be active with them again. Remember, a few second round picks are more useful to them (in some scenarios) than a first round. We may be able to get a few second rounds picks again and work with it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:26 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
I'd say we would give some thought about turning pick 5 into two top 15 picks and turning our two 3rd rounders into a 2nd Rd pick. Aim for 4 picks under 30.

Cue a "and remember we still have the first round pick that Geelong gave us for Henderson" post.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 2:30 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
cottaz wrote:
Would like us to have a look at Mitchell and colquhorn as DFA's. Think they could add a bit while we cut the dead wood


Wasn't Calquhorn the one who had a Twitter stoush with Gibbs?


Maybe. I still think he would he an upgrade on a few of ours if he gets his body right


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:22 pm 
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I know I will get criticised for this but, don't care...
Will the players below help our rebuild???
Jaeger O, Steele, Stewart, Marchbank, Lennon, Brown and delisted FA Tape..
Would love too see next year,
Byrne Marchbank Weitering
Tape Brown Docherty
Simpson Jaeger Gibbs
Steele McKay CCurnow
SOJ Steward Lennon
Phillips Cripps Murphy (c)
From; ECurnow Cuningham Wright Plowman
Kerridge Buckley Kreuzer Tuohy


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