Maybe he should be reading between the lines

boult goes who protects charlie,jack?

O'Meara 700+k. Hawks interested. Surprise, surprise.

Please no. I'd rather spread the cash among Cripps and Weitering with some in reserve for those who deserve it.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

Just curious,
Looking ahead over the next 3 to 4 years ....
Which teams do you think have a WORSE list than Carlton? (or are in a worse position in regards to their list....)


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I think we might have the edge on Brisbane...
And I think the Bombers are setting themselves back a bit by clinging on to all their doper players ...

But besides that..?

Gold Coast probably aren't looking good, but I would argue that's more to do with the club environment than with the list itself

Freo and Norf have big question marks ...

But really ... we are not looking good.

Feels like we say the same thing every year - flush out the list! Get rid of the list cloggers!

For years we would only turn over 4 or 5 players from the primary list. It frustrated me no end. Last year we turned over around 15 players in total, probably be a large number again. Given that most picks won't make and that our list isn't great, at least we've shown the start of a process over the last year.

I would expect at least 10 changes for next season and it can't come along quick enough.

Minimum 10 I think, probably around 12

Let me have a go at the list turn overs... why not everyone else is!

Walker (ret)
Jamieson (ret)
Sheehan (delist)
Smith (delist)
Wood (delist)
Whiley (delist)
Tutt (delist)
Dick (delist)
Gorringe (50 / 50 on whether this one will happen, but personally I think it should)
Gowers / Foster / Rainbow ... would all have to be potential delists also.

that's already somewhere between 8 - 11 list turn over spots... maybe we get lucky and Thomas realizes his body can't hack it anymore and he decides to retire.

I'd also offer up Kreuzer, Tuohy, Everitt for trades if the price is right, and if the price is exceptional (top 10 pick) I think we should be willing to trade out either Murphy or Gibbs, not both.

I think Sos will get the broom out....

DELIST:
Walker (ret)
Jamo (ret)
Tutt
Rainbow
Foster
Whiley
Smith
Wood
Dick
Gorringe
Foster

Then i would put on the trade table Casboult, Everitt, Graham, Touhy and Boakhorst.....
If a club offers up a top 15 pick then Gibbs as well...

Whatever way you look at it they have a huge job in turning the list over..

I think we'll be aiming to trade into the first round again to try and secure maybe three picks inside 25.

We have three more drafts ahead of us to try and piece together the foundation of sustained success - following the Geelong/Hawthorn model. Geelong started in 1999 and got there in 2007. Hawthorn started in 2005 and 2008 aside, which wasn't expected, got there in 2013. 8 years each.

Pre-2015
Cripps
Docherty

2015
Weitering
McKay
C Curnow
Cuningham
J Silvagni
Plowman

2016, 2017, 2018
Up to 3 x 3 top 25 draft picks
3 x trade targets (eg Marchbank etc)
B Silvagni

Then we mould role players around this nucleus.

8 years is too long for most supporters when there's no guarantee of the ultimate reward eg St Kilda, but I think it's what we're working at.

Oh, and when J Silvagni is around 34, O Judd should be getting a run in the midfield.

So what does everyone thinks about Liam Jones? Is the Club going to give him an extension of One year? Or should he still be moved on?

He did Play a good three Weeks, but overall his season was still a Failure.....What does everyone thinks?

give 1 year

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Still has a year

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

BV is right, still has a year to run on his current contract....and from the moment he first wore the Navy Blue right up until last week the vast majority of fans were begging for him to be payed out and dumped!

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"Who discovered we could get milk from cows, and what did he think he was doing at the time?" Billy Connolly

Some thoughts:

1) It is imperative that we trade into the 1st round, ideally top 10 in addition to our given top 10 pick. Not sure where that will come from. The only possibilities I can think of are Gibbs and maybe Kruezer. I have been reasonably happy with Kruezer and very happy with Gibbs but would be happier if we could trade them out for 1st round pick (Kruezer, top 25 pick). Think we should keep our captain.

2) I am pretty sure we had a pretty good record this year when Jones played Vs not?

3) Just quietly, where has all the crowing about North's superior medical/physio player management regime from earlier in the year? Waite seems to be having a 'par' season. I wish him well and understand him wanting to leave but I think it turns out that North's medicos are more or less the same as everyone elses...

4) We are going to need midfielders! Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson (obviously) will not be playing when we are challenging for a flag again. Beyond Cripps, we have no premier midfielders.

5) We are going to have to rely heavily on some great father-sons (as did Geelong).

Yea ..

Trade Murphy, Cripps, Weitering, Silvangni and Gibbs

Delist everyone one else!

Thats the way to do it ... Oh Yea!

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Why would we trade Gibbs has got me stuffed. Playing his best football now, still only 27 and has proved to be very resilient. I can understand us wanting to get another top ten pick but not at that cost. From what I have seen of this draft there are no real standouts not like last year. It appears this draft is a lot me even and possibly runs a bit deeper in quality. We are not overloaded with talent at the moment, no point in giving one away.

Fair point Motsa. Gibbs is a bona fide star. The chances of replacing him with another bona fide star with pick, say 10 in this year's draft, is not high. And even if we do get a star, it is unlikely he will deliver at that level for another 3yrs at best. I get it.
Having said that, if someone offered two first round draft picks for Gibbs (as they did for Danger and McCarthy) would you take it? If so, the question is more about what he is worth to us and to another team....

I am only trying to think of how we could get additional picks which are reasonably high - on the assumption that we need more good players to compete against the better teams in 2-10yrs from now, and the higher the picks the more likely they will turn out to be good footballers, noting that this is far from certain.

By my reckoning, we only have limited options:
1) Trade a great player for a very high draft pick (e.g. Gibbs for a top ten pick)
2) Trade several lower picks in exchange for 1 higher pick to a team who needs the points...
3) Trade an ok player for a middling additional pick (e.g. Casboult for 2nd round pick, maybe...)
4) Trade a list clogger for another team's list clogger

We don't have many players who fit into option 1. Gibbs, Murphy, maybe Kruezer are all players who are unlikely to be there when we get back up the top and may get us a top pick.
Option 2 is more about maths...
Option 3 is extremely dependent on identifying a gun lower in the draft (and I do acknowledge we did very well with Cripps who no other team would have drafted 1st round but our record with other and/or lower picks has not been spectacular). For example, I very much doubt we will be able to trade Casboult for someone better. The only benefit in that sort of exchange is to get someone younger and hope they are half decent.
Option 4 is just about hoping the penny drops for a kid with talent but lacking something else such as work ethic or state of mind. 20% chance of success at best.
(Later in our development, and after we can stop throwing money at Thomas, we could pursue a 5th option - recruit for need, incl free agency but don't think that is the wisest approach with our development needs at this stage.)

PS. I actually believe the best way is to become the best team at developing talent - that is how great teams really maintain high performance first and foremost. e.g. Sydney, Hawthorn, Geelong, Adelaide.... But I also think we could use a bit of raw talent to go with that....

Sorry... Mots (#2...).

Every year someone suggests we trade Gibbs, I am with you I dont understand it. He is one of our best and still has years of footy ahead of him.