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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:26 pm 
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We have no one in our list that knows what it takes to be a successful football team.
If I was managing this list I would target a player or 2 at the back end of career from Sydney Geelong or Hawthorn.
We need someone to show the way even if it was just for one season. Someone like a Bartel of Hodge type.
You can't have a bunch of players who have spent their entire playing life in a losing environment teaching and guiding younger players.
They don't know what it takes to be successful so how in the hell are they going to set an example to the rest

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Pafloyul wrote:
Bolt from the Blue wrote:
A couple of posts on this page where I've missed the humour here. Your response especially Surrey Blue; why was Sombrero's post so funny and deserved a round of applause?


Because he still has it in his heart of hearts to blame all our failings on a losing culture and he somehow thinks BS is referencing that. That's all I can come up with to explain it. :confused:


Nah.
In military parlance, it's called a pre-emptive strike. If we ask for a PP before Brisbane does and base it on the fact they ran all over us for two and a half quarters and therefore they are in front of us development wise, the AFL will have to consider the two requests in that light and not just the one in isolation.

I am not thinking we will get a PP but I AM thinking Brisbane might and it behoves us to try and ambush them.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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I would expect Murphy, Simmo, Cripps, et al to make a stand and an example of Boekhorst after yesterday. Don't leave it Bolton.

Boekhorst showed he doesn't have the level of desire to be a winner at AFL level. Should never pull on the Carlton jumper again.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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I wouldn't be in a hurry to move on guys like Kreuzer and Armfield.

While they lack talent, they don't lack effort. Happy to keep them as depth players in the 2's for another couple of years while we weed out the players who DGAF.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Rexy wrote:
I would expect Murphy, Simmo, Cripps, et al to make a stand and an example of Boekhorst after yesterday. Don't leave it Bolton.

Boekhorst showed he doesn't have the level of desire to be a winner at AFL level. Should never pull on the Carlton jumper again.


Probably preoccupied about whether to keep that long-haired look or go full on man bun.
Big decision for these blokes.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:37 am 
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Rexy wrote:
I would expect Murphy, Simmo, Cripps, et al to make a stand and an example of Boekhorst after yesterday. Don't leave it Bolton.

Boekhorst showed he doesn't have the level of desire to be a winner at AFL level. Should never pull on the Carlton jumper again.

I think people ae being too hard on Boekhurst.
He's missed half the season injured.
He was playing pretty well in a side that was running more in the first part of the year.

It isn't his fault he went at pick 22. He was just sitting watching TV and they called his name out. If he were a rookie pick we'd be rapt.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Fair comment BS. We are a very impatient lot aren't we.


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Rexy wrote:
I wouldn't be in a hurry to move on guys like Kreuzer and Armfield.

While they lack talent, they don't lack effort. Happy to keep them as depth players in the 2's for another couple of years while we weed out the players who DGAF.


Kruezer's body is cooked, he'd add little value as a backup.....except block the development of our younger talls


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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In summary:

We're not a very good team.


Nobody knows when we will be.

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Rexy wrote:
I would expect Murphy, Simmo, Cripps, et al to make a stand and an example of Boekhorst after yesterday. Don't leave it Bolton.

Boekhorst showed he doesn't have the level of desire to be a winner at AFL level. Should never pull on the Carlton jumper again.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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sinbagger wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I wouldn't be in a hurry to move on guys like Kreuzer and Armfield.

While they lack talent, they don't lack effort. Happy to keep them as depth players in the 2's for another couple of years while we weed out the players who DGAF.


Kruezer's body is cooked, he'd add little value as a backup.....except block the development of our younger talls


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Kreuzer's not the player we all expected he'd become, but we're over sensationalising his demise. He's still clearly our number one ruckman and his body has held together this season.
Take the names away and just compare output:
Player 1: Age 27, 19 games this season, 11 disposals per game, 4 tackles per game, 21 hitouts per game, 6 goals.
Player 2: Age 25, 14 games this season, 7 disposals per game, 2 tackles per game, 17 hitouts per game, 5 goals.

I know which one I'd choose.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Gold coast tanked well today. Still a chance we end up with pick 5.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Sin City wrote:
Gold coast tanked well today. Still a chance we end up with pick 5.

Nah they'll beat Port at Metricon I reckon.

Pick 4 is ours.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
We have no one in our list that knows what it takes to be a successful football team.
If I was managing this list I would target a player or 2 at the back end of career from Sydney Geelong or Hawthorn.
We need someone to show the way even if it was just for one season. Someone like a Bartel of Hodge type.
You can't have a bunch of players who have spent their entire playing life in a losing environment teaching and guiding younger players.
They don't know what it takes to be successful so how in the hell are they going to set an example to the rest


That's what coaches are for. Don't waste a list spot on a bloke who in all reality is just there for the money. The only way to improve is recruit young players who are better then what we have got. There is no quick solution or magic potion. It takes time. Just ask Melbourne and St.Kilda supporters. We have over achieved this year. We still have half a team that will be delisted in the next 2-3 years. We will be bottom 4 for at least the next 3 years. When you have players like White, Everitt, Armfield, Rowe and Thomas playing in the seniors and taking a position from a young player, then you know you have a long way to go to rebuild a list. Not 1 of those players would get a game in a top 8 team. Just play the young players and see if they are up to it. I don't care if we get pumped, I just want to see if they are any good.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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cecil89 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I wouldn't be in a hurry to move on guys like Kreuzer and Armfield.

While they lack talent, they don't lack effort. Happy to keep them as depth players in the 2's for another couple of years while we weed out the players who DGAF.


Kruezer's body is cooked, he'd add little value as a backup.....except block the development of our younger talls


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Kreuzer's not the player we all expected he'd become, but we're over sensationalising his demise. He's still clearly our number one ruckman and his body has held together this season.
Take the names away and just compare output:
Player 1: Age 27, 19 games this season, 11 disposals per game, 4 tackles per game, 21 hitouts per game, 6 goals.
Player 2: Age 25, 14 games this season, 7 disposals per game, 2 tackles per game, 17 hitouts per game, 5 goals.

I know which one I'd choose.


Agree it's like people think player 2 is only 18yrs old!!!


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cecil89 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I wouldn't be in a hurry to move on guys like Kreuzer and Armfield.

While they lack talent, they don't lack effort. Happy to keep them as depth players in the 2's for another couple of years while we weed out the players who DGAF.


Kruezer's body is cooked, he'd add little value as a backup.....except block the development of our younger talls


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Kreuzer's not the player we all expected he'd become, but we're over sensationalising his demise. He's still clearly our number one ruckman and his body has held together this season.
Take the names away and just compare output:
Player 1: Age 27, 19 games this season, 11 disposals per game, 4 tackles per game, 21 hitouts per game, 6 goals.
Player 2: Age 25, 14 games this season, 7 disposals per game, 2 tackles per game, 17 hitouts per game, 5 goals.

I know which one I'd choose.


No he's talking about the other gun young ruckman we have whose spot he is taking!


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We are similarly placed to where we were with Pagan. The 2010-2014 drafts are like when we were excluded from the draft... Few are left, Cripps is the only bona fide.

The 2014 boekhorst draft is particularly damaging. Not one will make it.

The GWS and crows rejects are serviceable. Hope we can jag one or two quality players there, but most are battlers.

Our strategy should be to trade anyone born in the 80s to load up with top 30-40 picks in this even draft.

Forget trading any first or 2nd round pick unless it lands us more first and 2nd round picks.

Free trade is where we load up with experience. Although we will only be.A.destination club once.The kids generate excitement.



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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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cecil89 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I wouldn't be in a hurry to move on guys like Kreuzer and Armfield.

While they lack talent, they don't lack effort. Happy to keep them as depth players in the 2's for another couple of years while we weed out the players who DGAF.


Kruezer's body is cooked, he'd add little value as a backup.....except block the development of our younger talls


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Kreuzer's not the player we all expected he'd become, but we're over sensationalising his demise. He's still clearly our number one ruckman and his body has held together this season.
Take the names away and just compare output:
Player 1: Age 27, 19 games this season, 11 disposals per game, 4 tackles per game, 21 hitouts per game, 6 goals.
Player 2: Age 25, 14 games this season, 7 disposals per game, 2 tackles per game, 17 hitouts per game, 5 goals.
Great post but I can't work out which one is Max Gawn

I know which one I'd choose.

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Carlton4Life wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
We have no one in our list that knows what it takes to be a successful football team.
If I was managing this list I would target a player or 2 at the back end of career from Sydney Geelong or Hawthorn.
We need someone to show the way even if it was just for one season. Someone like a Bartel of Hodge type.
You can't have a bunch of players who have spent their entire playing life in a losing environment teaching and guiding younger players.
They don't know what it takes to be successful so how in the hell are they going to set an example to the rest


That's what coaches are for. Don't waste a list spot on a bloke who in all reality is just there for the money. The only way to improve is recruit young players who are better then what we have got. There is no quick solution or magic potion. It takes time. Just ask Melbourne who have ben given a huge leg up by the AFL,and St.Kilda who have been up and down and up again while we have languised at the bottom,supporters. We have over achieved this year. We still have half a team that will be delisted in the next 2-3 years. We will be bottom 4 for at least the next 3 years. When you have players like White, Everitt, Armfield, Rowe and Thomas playing in the seniors and taking a position from a young player, then you know you have a long way to go to rebuild a list. Not 1 of those players would get a game in a top 8 team. Just play the young players and see if they are up to it. I don't care if we get pumped, I just want to see if they are any good.

EFA

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:30 am 
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C.Curnow
Silvagni
Plowman
Cuningham
Mckay
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Tuohy
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Murphy

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