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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:17 pm 
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He won't be traded unless he wants to go!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:22 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
He won't be traded unless he wants to go!


If he asks for $600,000 a year but we offer hims $280,000 and he leaves does that mean he wanted to leave or that we traded him?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:47 pm 
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club29 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
He won't be traded unless he wants to go!


If he asks for $600,000 a year but we offer hims $280,000 and he leaves does that mean he wanted to leave or that we traded him?


In that situation ... he will leave.

More likely we will offer $400K and he will accept.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:31 pm 
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That is a lot of money to pay for Casboult. Dangerous precedent being set there.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:23 pm 
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need levi in the side to protect ,macca ,curnow,sos BUT if


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:47 pm 
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club29 wrote:
That is a lot of money to pay for Casboult. Dangerous precedent being set there.


If 300K is the average salary, then 400K is not actually all that much by AFL standards. And it's hardly setting dangerous precedents to be giving a senior player and key forward slightly above the average salary.

None of this is to suggest that he's worth 400K. It's just hardly a lot or dangerous.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:11 am 
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This don't come from the most reliable source but he says the Bombers have made Levi a decent offer and can walk him through the PSD


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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This don't come from the most reliable source but he says the Bombers have made Levi a decent offer and can walk him through the PSD

Maybe they can get Daniher to teach him to kick...

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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club29 wrote:
That is a lot of money to pay for Casboult. Dangerous precedent being set there.

Isn't he already on that much?
I don't think it is too much for a key forward.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:50 pm 
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trublu wrote:
This don't come from the most reliable source but he says the Bombers have made Levi a decent offer and can walk him through the PSD

That would be typical of Essendon*. When was the last time a club did that and get a player through the PSD?
They are scumbags so it wouldn't surprise if this is true.
No wonder they didn't want to beat Brisbane.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:18 pm 
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That is a lot of money to pay for Casboult. Dangerous precedent being set there.

Isn't he already on that much?
I don't think it is too much for a key forward.


$350k is average AFL wage. Casboult is a below average player. He robbed the club on that last contract if that was what he was being paid.

We could use that $400k and some other savings to get Hurley.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:36 pm 
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How is he a below average player?
We have 38 players on our list. In simple terms, the average would be the 19th player.
Casboult would be in the first 10 picked by Bolton when fit. Yes he has numerous glaring deficiencies but he fills a role no one else is currently capable of filling.

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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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Blue Vain wrote:
How is he a below average player?
We have 38 players on our list. In simple terms, the average would be the 19th player.
Casboult would be in the first 10 picked by Bolton when fit. Yes he has numerous glaring deficiencies but he fills a role no one else is currently capable of filling.


What exactly is his role?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:47 pm 
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His role is a marking target up forward. About the only one we have, bar the rucks taking the odd grab.

I agree he is above average for our current list, but against the backdrop of the AFL at large I would think his inability to kick straight and chase/tackle might make him below average compared to other similar players. But that's about as moot a point as I can think of.

Bottom line is we need better players if we want true success, the ultimate prize.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Paddycripps wrote:
His role is a marking target up forward. About the only one we have, bar the rucks taking the odd grab.

I agree he is above average for our current list, but against the backdrop of the AFL at large I would think his inability to kick straight and chase/tackle might make him below average compared to other similar players. But that's about as moot a point as I can think of.

Bottom line is we need better players if we want true success, the ultimate prize.


I'm happier to have big Levi than Waite


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 6:52 pm 
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kezza wrote:
club29 wrote:
That is a lot of money to pay for Casboult. Dangerous precedent being set there.

Isn't he already on that much?
I don't think it is too much for a key forward.


Key forwards kick goals. He ain't no key forward. However, we may eventually turn him into one. Time is on his side.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:46 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
How is he a below average player?
We have 38 players on our list. In simple terms, the average would be the 19th player.
Casboult would be in the first 10 picked by Bolton when fit. Yes he has numerous glaring deficiencies but he fills a role no one else is currently capable of filling.


For an elite mark, he averages about 5.5 per game. Granted they are contested, but what about uncontested and leading?

For a key forward target, he average 0.7 goals a game, 1 goal assist every 10 games and about 3 score involvements a game and a higher percentage of clangers than last year.

Yep...there's one thing I agree on; he certainly has numerous glaring deficiencies

While we have 2 ruckmen, he is a liability

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Rexy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
How is he a below average player?
We have 38 players on our list. In simple terms, the average would be the 19th player.
Casboult would be in the first 10 picked by Bolton when fit. Yes he has numerous glaring deficiencies but he fills a role no one else is currently capable of filling.


What exactly is his role?



He works hard up the ground to give us a bail out option from defence. He's 7th in the AFL for contested marks. Our next best is a first year player (Weitering)
People like 99 prelim bag him thinking he's purely a forward target but he's our inside 50 target only 17% of the time. Most of his contested marks are up around the wing but when he pushes into the forward 50, he's very effective. He's taken 29 marks inside 50. Our next best is Jed Lamb with 17.
All clubs highly value players who can give a better than 50/50 option to the long kick from defence. Casboults ability to win one on one contests is elite.

Yes he's struggling with his body at the moment but he's allowing our youngsters to develop. He's taking the heat instead of having them getting smashed in marking contests. His role is crucial to our game style. Thats why the coaches are playing him every week, despite him being on one leg.

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