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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:13 pm 
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Why pay that much Hibbo? Surely his numbers suggest a little above base.
Even that is based on hope.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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If Casboult wants to be a Blue and wants 600k or more than SOS and co need to make it a 2-3yr performance based contract somehow. Sign up for 400k and if he kicks 40+ goals the salary the following season is extra 100k, another 40+ and the other 100k kicks in.


He averages less than a goal a game in his career and his previous season best total is 24 goals (2015).

He's definitely not worth 400k and if someone can give us a second round pick (ie 19-25) for him, we should bite their hand off in accepting it!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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hope he does not go to footscray.imagine there mids kicking the ball to levi


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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jamespul65 wrote:
hope he does not go to footscray.imagine there mids kicking the ball to levi


I don't think it works like that in 2016/17 and beyond. You need to weigh up the pros and cons.


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:21 pm 
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Cool Runnings wrote:
Lee Carvallo wrote:
Just don't get the talk of trading Levi. Notwithstanding his current ordinary form, playing injured, and as the only key forward in front of our midfield, which has been absolutely pantsed for most of the year... Wayne Carey would struggle in front of that! Levi could be ultra important in the development of the likes of McKay and Curnow, taking some of the heat off them as they progress. If he leaves, who takes that role? Kreuzer? Gorringe? Neither are up to it. Blokes with mitts and presence like Levi don't grow on trees... we just lack the other pieces of the puzzle to complement him.


How many times do people want to make excuses for this bloke. Just about every bloke in the side would be playing with an injury. Hasn't been an excuse for Cripps. Casboult is mentally weak and simply not a good footy player. He can't play second ruck because he doesn't have the agility or stamina to do so. I also thought our forward line thrived the game he was out. He has no idea how to play as a forward. He and his management want $500k - $600k. If we are smart we let him walk and if u get something for him bonus, but it is not going to be even close to a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder. He offers us nothing, hurts us on the field way more than he helps.


Not worth 500-600k. If he wants more than 400-450 see ya later, consistency, form & growth warrant pay rises. He show these traits to little. A teams main KPP should give a return of 35-40 goals minimum. Until then he needs to accept what we offer, the club has persisted with him for years for little return.
Would hate to see him reach potential with an opponent club but how long can we wait???


Also, he didn't look injured in the last quarter last weekend. What does that say about the other 75% of the game where he really stunk it up?


We injected him with something really good before the last quarter?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:22 pm 
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Hibbo wrote:
Cool Runnings wrote:
Lee Carvallo wrote:
Just don't get the talk of trading Levi. Notwithstanding his current ordinary form, playing injured, and as the only key forward in front of our midfield, which has been absolutely pantsed for most of the year... Wayne Carey would struggle in front of that! Levi could be ultra important in the development of the likes of McKay and Curnow, taking some of the heat off them as they progress. If he leaves, who takes that role? Kreuzer? Gorringe? Neither are up to it. Blokes with mitts and presence like Levi don't grow on trees... we just lack the other pieces of the puzzle to complement him.


How many times do people want to make excuses for this bloke. Just about every bloke in the side would be playing with an injury. Hasn't been an excuse for Cripps. Casboult is mentally weak and simply not a good footy player. He can't play second ruck because he doesn't have the agility or stamina to do so. I also thought our forward line thrived the game he was out. He has no idea how to play as a forward. He and his management want $500k - $600k. If we are smart we let him walk and if u get something for him bonus, but it is not going to be even close to a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder. He offers us nothing, hurts us on the field way more than he helps.


Not worth 500-600k. If he wants more than 400-450 see ya later, consistency, form & growth warrant pay rises. He show these traits to little. A teams main KPP should give a return of 35-40 goals minimum. Until then he needs to accept what we offer, the club has persisted with him for years for little return.
Would hate to see him reach potential with an opponent club but how long can we wait???


He's worth 350K.

Key forwards live and die by their midfield. Any club with half decent amount of quality supply will make Casboult an infinitely more dangerous prospect. Our blokes don't win much clean ball, and when they do, they butcher it. I'd be pretty frustrated if I was Levi, getting mauled every week and the ball either sailing over my head or landing at my toes.

At present, any opposition team lining up against Carlton send their best KPD to Casboult, without hesitation. Sure he gets beaten a lot, but who do you replace him with? If Casboult struggles, the alternatives have absolutely no hope... and that includes Curnow and McKay in the short term.

Granted Levi he has weaknesses, and needs to work harder, but players with his strengths aren't dime-a-dozen, and shouldn't be tossed aside easily. He's easily the best key forward we've got, and at least gives us some structure. Criticism is better directed at those who aren't knocking the door down to take his spot.


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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If Levi stays I don't reckon it will be on top dollar and only as depth


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Lee Carvallo wrote:
Hibbo wrote:
Cool Runnings wrote:
Lee Carvallo wrote:
Just don't get the talk of trading Levi. Notwithstanding his current ordinary form, playing injured, and as the only key forward in front of our midfield, which has been absolutely pantsed for most of the year... Wayne Carey would struggle in front of that! Levi could be ultra important in the development of the likes of McKay and Curnow, taking some of the heat off them as they progress. If he leaves, who takes that role? Kreuzer? Gorringe? Neither are up to it. Blokes with mitts and presence like Levi don't grow on trees... we just lack the other pieces of the puzzle to complement him.


How many times do people want to make excuses for this bloke. Just about every bloke in the side would be playing with an injury. Hasn't been an excuse for Cripps. Casboult is mentally weak and simply not a good footy player. He can't play second ruck because he doesn't have the agility or stamina to do so. I also thought our forward line thrived the game he was out. He has no idea how to play as a forward. He and his management want $500k - $600k. If we are smart we let him walk and if u get something for him bonus, but it is not going to be even close to a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder. He offers us nothing, hurts us on the field way more than he helps.


Not worth 500-600k. If he wants more than 400-450 see ya later, consistency, form & growth warrant pay rises. He show these traits to little. A teams main KPP should give a return of 35-40 goals minimum. Until then he needs to accept what we offer, the club has persisted with him for years for little return.
Would hate to see him reach potential with an opponent club but how long can we wait???


He's worth 350K.

Key forwards live and die by their midfield. Any club with half decent amount of quality supply will make Casboult an infinitely more dangerous prospect. Our blokes don't win much clean ball, and when they do, they butcher it. I'd be pretty frustrated if I was Levi, getting mauled every week and the ball either sailing over my head or landing at my toes.

At present, any opposition team lining up against Carlton send their best KPD to Casboult, without hesitation. Sure he gets beaten a lot, but who do you replace him with? If Casboult struggles, the alternatives have absolutely no hope... and that includes Curnow and McKay in the short term.

Granted Levi he has weaknesses, and needs to work harder, but players with his strengths aren't dime-a-dozen, and shouldn't be tossed aside easily. He's easily the best key forward we've got, and at least gives us some structure. Criticism is better directed at those who aren't knocking the door down to take his spot.


Yep ! so true................Bolton aint no dummy,and thats why Levi,and Philips for that matter are part of his masterplan.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Rexy wrote:
If Levi stays I don't reckon it will be on top dollar and only as depth

Yep. Bolton and SOS are not dummies.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:47 pm 
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Cool Runnings wrote:
Lee Carvallo wrote:
Just don't get the talk of trading Levi. Notwithstanding his current ordinary form, playing injured, and as the only key forward in front of our midfield, which has been absolutely pantsed for most of the year... Wayne Carey would struggle in front of that! Levi could be ultra important in the development of the likes of McKay and Curnow, taking some of the heat off them as they progress. If he leaves, who takes that role? Kreuzer? Gorringe? Neither are up to it. Blokes with mitts and presence like Levi don't grow on trees... we just lack the other pieces of the puzzle to complement him.


How many times do people want to make excuses for this bloke. Just about every bloke in the side would be playing with an injury. Hasn't been an excuse for Cripps. Casboult is mentally weak and simply not a good footy player. He can't play second ruck because he doesn't have the agility or stamina to do so. I also thought our forward line thrived the game he was out. He has no idea how to play as a forward. He and his management want $500k - $600k. If we are smart we let him walk and if u get something for him bonus, but it is not going to be even close to a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder. He offers us nothing, hurts us on the field way more than he helps.



What rubbish! If he was as bad and useless as you say then Bolton has no idea either because he keeps playing him. I'm sure if the deal was right SOS would trade him just like he would trade any player if the deal was good enough. But since that isn't likely to happen Casboult will most likely remain as our key forward next year.


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:02 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Cool Runnings wrote:
Lee Carvallo wrote:
Just don't get the talk of trading Levi. Notwithstanding his current ordinary form, playing injured, and as the only key forward in front of our midfield, which has been absolutely pantsed for most of the year... Wayne Carey would struggle in front of that! Levi could be ultra important in the development of the likes of McKay and Curnow, taking some of the heat off them as they progress. If he leaves, who takes that role? Kreuzer? Gorringe? Neither are up to it. Blokes with mitts and presence like Levi don't grow on trees... we just lack the other pieces of the puzzle to complement him.


How many times do people want to make excuses for this bloke. Just about every bloke in the side would be playing with an injury. Hasn't been an excuse for Cripps. Casboult is mentally weak and simply not a good footy player. He can't play second ruck because he doesn't have the agility or stamina to do so. I also thought our forward line thrived the game he was out. He has no idea how to play as a forward. He and his management want $500k - $600k. If we are smart we let him walk and if u get something for him bonus, but it is not going to be even close to a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder. He offers us nothing, hurts us on the field way more than he helps.



What rubbish! If he was as bad and useless as you say then Bolton has no idea either because he keeps playing him. I'm sure if the deal was right SOS would trade him just like he would trade any player if the deal was good enough. But since that isn't likely to happen Casboult will most likely remain as our key forward next year.


Then we are going nowhere. If you think he is a good footballer and is going to get better then I do t want to dash your hopes. You are right, I see a lot of development left in big Levi at the age of 27. He may even crack 20 goals next year. But then again the faithful will find some other excuses. We will need to make it easier for big Levi and he will thrive.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Lee Carvallo wrote:
He's worth 350K.


FWIW, the average AFL salary is now 300K.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Levi was good until he got hurt in round 8, he was unstoppable against Collingwood! He is not going to be a big goal kicker but can still influence games for us I reckon.


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 Post subject: List Management 2016
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Blue Tongue wrote:
Levi was good until he got hurt in round 8, he was unstoppable against Collingwood! He is not going to be a big goal kicker but can still influence games for us I reckon.


He has had one good game this year. But he was not good before that game. He has been ordinary all year. I'm interested to know why u think he will never be a big goal kicker? How many more excuses do people want to give him?


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Stefchook wrote:
Lee Carvallo wrote:
He's worth 350K.


FWIW, the average AFL salary is now 300K.

So, worth 250 then?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Cool Runnings wrote:
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Levi was good until he got hurt in round 8, he was unstoppable against Collingwood! He is not going to be a big goal kicker but can still influence games for us I reckon.


He has had one good game this year. But he was not good before that game. He has been ordinary all year. I'm interested to know why u think he will never be a big goal kicker? How many more excuses do people want to give him?


Easy question, he can never be a big goal kicker because he misses most of his set shots at goal! I just think we should use him differently, from certain parts of the ground he should not even kick for goal, the % are just not in his favour, everyone at the ground knows he is going to miss and we just hand the ball back to the opposition.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Blue Tongue wrote:
Cool Runnings wrote:
Blue Tongue wrote:
Levi was good until he got hurt in round 8, he was unstoppable against Collingwood! He is not going to be a big goal kicker but can still influence games for us I reckon.


He has had one good game this year. But he was not good before that game. He has been ordinary all year. I'm interested to know why u think he will never be a big goal kicker? How many more excuses do people want to give him?


Easy question, he can never be a big goal kicker because he misses most of his set shots at goal! I just think we should use him differently, from certain parts of the ground he should not even kick for goal, the % are just not in his favour, everyone at the ground knows he is going to miss and we just hand the ball back to the opposition.


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At 27 years old this is probably as good as casboult is ever going to get. He is NOT! the player we need to take our club forward! He is never going to be good enough to play in a finals side as he is a completely one-dimensional player. He can only take contested marks, no uncontested because he doesn't have to speed to get separation from opponents and when the ball hits the deck he is use less.
With regards to next year, we will have Mckay, Curnow and sos in our forward line as well as a resting ruckman in either philps or Kreuzer as Bolts has made it clear he likes two ruckman. Plus we will have Jones and Jacks in the 2s as back up for the odd game if we need them and potentially white and rowe if we re-contract them. If we can get a pick for casboult great, second and third round picks are more valuable know with the points system and could be useful if we try to poach more GWS kids.


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At 27 years old this is probably as good as casboult is ever going to get. He is NOT! the player we need to take our club forward! He is never going to be good enough to play in a finals side as he is a completely one-dimensional player. He can only take contested marks, no uncontested because he doesn't have to speed to get separation from opponents and when the ball hits the deck he is use less.
With regards to next year, we will have Mckay, Curnow and sos in our forward line as well as a resting ruckman in either philps or Kreuzer as Bolts has made it clear he likes two ruckman. Plus we will have Jones and Jacks in the 2s as back up for the odd game if we need them and potentially white and rowe if we re-contract them. If we can get a pick for casboult great, second and third round picks are more valuable know with the points system and could be useful if we try to poach more GWS kids.


And Tomlinson?


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Paddycripps wrote:
Dk wrote:
At 27 years old this is probably as good as casboult is ever going to get. He is NOT! the player we need to take our club forward! He is never going to be good enough to play in a finals side as he is a completely one-dimensional player. He can only take contested marks, no uncontested because he doesn't have to speed to get separation from opponents and when the ball hits the deck he is use less.
With regards to next year, we will have Mckay, Curnow and sos in our forward line as well as a resting ruckman in either philps or Kreuzer as Bolts has made it clear he likes two ruckman. Plus we will have Jones and Jacks in the 2s as back up for the odd game if we need them and potentially white and rowe if we re-contract them. If we can get a pick for casboult great, second and third round picks are more valuable know with the points system and could be useful if we try to poach more GWS kids.


And Tomlinson?


throw him in as well!


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