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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:34 am 
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Umpire... you pay a free kick if a ruckman takes possession in a ruck contest and gets tackled. you do not pay a free kick if an opposition player makes slight contact by just touching the back of the ruckmans jumper whilst he is kicking the ball. That is not a tackle. We are not playing the primary school tiggy tiggy touch. One of the worst 3 decisions of the day.


I was also perplexed by this, and the "commentators" didn't even pick up on it. Sometimes wonder if they're actually watching the game.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:42 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
Mossie has a point, I was watching the 1999 preliminary final and it struck me just how much of difference in talent we had then compared to now. We weren't even considered one of the better teams, either, we went in as massive underdogs.

Mossie isn't having a go at our effort, just the inevitability of it all.


thank you

im sick of this crap - i despise john elliott, but he did hate losing - even in 1999, I was told by a person who spoke to him that he was filthy that we lost the 99 GF even though we were never in it all year

Hated losing so much that he cheated the system

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:18 am 
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are the saying what Curnow's damage is yet?

I agree with Bolton; we should be proud, but no where near satisfied.

if we had some more running and disposal depth through the middle we'd be finals bound. if we had a functioning forward line we'd even win a game or two once there.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:17 am 
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Delboy74 wrote:
NTBlue wrote:
Umpire... you pay a free kick if a ruckman takes possession in a ruck contest and gets tackled. you do not pay a free kick if an opposition player makes slight contact by just touching the back of the ruckmans jumper whilst he is kicking the ball. That is not a tackle. We are not playing the primary school tiggy tiggy touch. One of the worst 3 decisions of the day.


I was also perplexed by this, and the "commentators" didn't even pick up on it. Sometimes wonder if they're actually watching the game.


I don't have the benefit of a replay to refer to, but didn't Kreuzer fail to make contact with the ball when he dropped it in the "tackle"? In which case: illegal disposal after taking possession from a ruck contest. I thought it was a free. The umps paid illegal disposal quite a lot which was good to see, I'm sick of teams like Sydney and Hawthorn scoring goals after a chain of half-a-dozen deliberate drops and hand-offs disguised as "jarred free".


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:25 am 
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First game at the SCG. Crowd felt so unnatural & manufactured. Only time they pay attention is when someone scores.


Being a Sydney resident, I'd say they are genuine in their support but don't really "get" the game. The prime example was the Sydney vs. GWS game at the SCG this season. The first 15 minutes of the game was some of the most intense footy you'll ever see: big hits, ferocious tackles, smothers, etc. Real high quality stuff that would have the MCG roaring. But after those 15 minutes the score was 0.1 to 0.0, and you could hear a pin drop. Then finally Sydney breaks through for a goal, and the crowd wakes up from its slumber with a heartfelt cheer. Man, for me the goal was the anti-climax to some seriously amazing football, but I guess Sydneysiders are all about the razzamatazz.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:54 am 
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Not a big fan of crying umpiring because so many calls are down to interpretation. But Christ I got mad when that bloke who can't afford a second name took the 'mark' over chas curnow then proceeded to play on from 5 metres in front of it and set up a goal. Not interpretation, basic rule.

Because it's early in the game it won't be discussed. But @#$%&! you umpires.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:29 am 
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Buddy and the extra moneys in the swans salary cap was probably the difference.

Was watching the game thinking what a shitty spectacle this product of a game is. Playing against a team with a greater salary cap who signed the marquee player in the league, on a different sized ground where they structure their gameplay to, listening to douche commentators like Watson, that other Essendon** guy and basil, while the umpires pay crappy frees due to the over abundance of rule changes and different interpretations....just thinking that this league is crap.

Nothing to do with the blues and the fantastic effort they put in, very proud of the whole team.

But man what a sham of a league


We lost because of their advantage to sign one player?, this differs how from when we could sign the likes of Motley, Kernahan, Bradley, Naley, Dorotich, Bosustow, Hunter and Williams from interstate, whilst shipping our cast-offs to the likes of Fitzroy and St Kilda?

So many want to go back the good old days, because of frustration of compromised drafts, the failure of equalisation, academy's, COLA, and whatever tap in79 is on about in his posts and return the days where Carlton won 7 flags in 20 years, Collingwood made 40 GFs in 100 years, Hawks made 7 GFs in a row, and 50% of teams in a 12 team comp - St Kilda, Footscray, Geelong, Melbourne, Fitzroy and South Melbourne didn't win a flag between them in a 40 year period.

And you say it's a farce about what the SCG is, but I assume you had no problem playing at Princes Park which was so small it's 50m line was about 44m, and at the time had a playing length that was 29m shorter than VFL Park?

Style of play and commentary is subjective taste, so no qualms there however I remember when people would loathe the likes of Don Scott, Morphett, McKenna and pine for the days of Williamson and co. from the 60s. As for umpiring, people hated Coates, Russo, Goldspink, Vernon, Harvey etc in the 90s, and more than likely Boyle, Bremmer and Briscoe 100 years ago.

It's your right to think it's a sham now - and you may well be correct, but on your logic and the examples I've given it always has been, perhaps now you are more aware of it due to greater exposure.

Last week there were supporter on here whinging that Hawks beat Sydney due to the leg up they get from the league and umpirimg, and now some are claiming we lost to Sydney for the same reasons....

Sorry to hijack, but blaming everything from the AFL to tidal movements rather than what we've been able to control for losses or our current predicament frustrates me.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:32 am 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
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Buddy and the extra moneys in the swans salary cap was probably the difference.

Was watching the game thinking what a shitty spectacle this product of a game is. Playing against a team with a greater salary cap who signed the marquee player in the league, on a different sized ground where they structure their gameplay to, listening to douche commentators like Watson, that other Essendon*** guy and basil, while the umpires pay crappy frees due to the over abundance of rule changes and different interpretations....just thinking that this league is crap.

Nothing to do with the blues and the fantastic effort they put in, very proud of the whole team.

But man what a sham of a league


We lost because of their advantage to sign one player?, this differs how from when we could sign the likes of Motley, Kernahan, Bradley, Naley, Dorotich, Bosustow, Hunter and Williams from interstate, whilst shipping our cast-offs to the likes of Fitzroy and St Kilda?

So many want to go back the good old days, because of frustration of compromised drafts, the failure of equalisation, academy's, COLA, and whatever tap in79 is on about in his posts and return the days where Carlton won 7 flags in 20 years, Collingwood made 40 GFs in 100 years, Hawks made 7 GFs in a row, and 50% of teams in a 12 team comp - St Kilda, Footscray, Geelong, Melbourne, Fitzroy and South Melbourne didn't win a flag between them in a 40 year period.

And you say it's a farce about what the SCG is, but I assume you had no problem playing at Princes Park which was so small it's 50m line was about 44m, and at the time had a playing length that was 29m shorter than VFL Park?

Style of play and commentary is subjective taste, so no qualms there however I remember when people would loathe the likes of Don Scott, Morphett, McKenna and and pine for the days of Williamson and co. from the 60s. Umpiring people hated Coates, Russo, Goldspink, Vernon, Harvey etc in the 90s, and more than likely Boyle, Bremmer and Briscoe 100 years ago.

It's your right to think it's a sham now - and you may well be correct, but on your logic and the examples I've given it always has been, perhaps now you are more aware of it due to greater exposure.

Last week there were supporter on here whinging that Hawks beat Sydney due to the leg up they get from the league and umpirimg, and now some are claiming we lost to Sydney for the same reasons....

Sorry to hijack, but blaming the everything from the AFL to tidal movements rather than what we've been able to control for losses or our current predicament frustrates me.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:00 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
I hate losses of any description more than anyone, but I have to say that was relatively satisfying to watch.

Positives for me:

Boekhorst's chase on Richards? or whoever it was, was an outstanding thing to remember from this game. I absolutely loved that endeavour.

That and the intensive tackling and pressure demonstrates that with enough defensive pressure you can turn a game.

I was looking for leaders other than Gibbs, Simpson and Cripps and I saw it emphatically with Sam Docherty. He was prepared to run through the midfield/high risk - twice - to try and win the game. I really respected that.

Another positive was the steal that Cripps got in the 2nd quarter that set up a goal. Very clever.


Negative:
I really hate corralling type of defensive action. There was a time in the 2nd quarter when Weitering had the chance to attack a player that got the ball a second before him, but instead he went for the corralling option (ie protect the space) (as he didn't want to get run around). I would have liked to have seen an all out attack. The Swans got a chain of possessions that ended with a goal, but it could have been stopped if Weitering hammered/pressured the bloke.

Anyway, all in all, I never think of a loss as a good thing, but this one I wasn't depressed about.


Yeah I noticed that Weitering moment. I think he's been generally less intense with the physical stuff since hurting his shoulder. Can't blame him, still so young and it's a long year and he's playing on some big guys. He'll improve in that area, he's such an exciting talent. I agree on the corralling, it can be bloody frustrating when you just want to see them cracking in. Gibbs for instance can get into a 'corral mindset' which is frustrating because I think he's a fantastic tackler as evidenced by yesterday.

Very pleased with yesterday and the last 2 weeks really. Very impressive improvement because we were on a downward trend for a few weeks which I thought would continue for the rest of the year. In particular our attacking mindset has returned after a few weeks of being lost with ball in hand.

Keep it up Baggers!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:06 am 
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are the saying what Curnow's damage is yet?

I agree with Bolton; we should be proud, but no where near satisfied.

if we had some more running and disposal depth through the middle we'd be finals bound. if we had a functioning forward line we'd even win a game or two once there.


I agree with this I don't think enough is made of just how bare our FWD line is. It is makeshift at best. A couple of good forwards would do amazing things for this team.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:23 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Not a big fan of crying umpiring because so many calls are down to interpretation. But Christ I got mad when that bloke who can't afford a second name took the 'mark' over chas curnow then proceeded to play on from 5 metres in front of it and set up a goal. Not interpretation, basic rule.

Because it's early in the game it won't be discussed. But @#$%&! you umpires.


Yep, I was shouting "you can't do that!" at the tv. Overall can't complain about the umpiring though, once again terrible disposal skills killed us. Christ, the amount of times players couldn't hit a target by foot from 30 odd metres away had me tearing my hair out. Incidently, I didn't have a problem with that free against Krooz in front of goal.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:41 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Effes wrote:
Carlton FC ‏@CarltonFC 6m6 minutes ago

Bolton: We're proud of our progress, but not satisfied with close losses. #AFLSwansBlues #BoundByBlue
Bolton: We've played two recent grand finalists in a row. This is great benchmarking for us. #AFLSwansBlues
Bolton: We gave great effort today, but inconsistencies hurt us in the end. #AFLSwansBlues
Bolton: @CharlieCurnow will need to have scans but I expect him to miss weeks. #AFLSwansBlues
Bolton: We will always recognise our growth, but 'honourable losses' can be a self-fulfilling prophecy. #AFLSwansBlues



ok folks - I expect apologies not a banning :thanks: :thanks: :thanks:

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Bolton said to feel proud but not satisfied.

You're preoccupied with being dissatisfied and missing the other half of the equation.


there is no equation -there are no second prizes, particularly in grand finals


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:01 am 
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Percy wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
I hate losses of any description more than anyone, but I have to say that was relatively satisfying to watch.

Positives for me:

Boekhorst's chase on Richards? or whoever it was, was an outstanding thing to remember from this game. I absolutely loved that endeavour.

That and the intensive tackling and pressure demonstrates that with enough defensive pressure you can turn a game.

I was looking for leaders other than Gibbs, Simpson and Cripps and I saw it emphatically with Sam Docherty. He was prepared to run through the midfield/high risk - twice - to try and win the game. I really respected that.

Another positive was the steal that Cripps got in the 2nd quarter that set up a goal. Very clever.


Negative:
I really hate corralling type of defensive action. There was a time in the 2nd quarter when Weitering had the chance to attack a player that got the ball a second before him, but instead he went for the corralling option (ie protect the space) (as he didn't want to get run around). I would have liked to have seen an all out attack. The Swans got a chain of possessions that ended with a goal, but it could have been stopped if Weitering hammered/pressured the bloke.

Anyway, all in all, I never think of a loss as a good thing, but this one I wasn't depressed about.


Yeah I noticed that Weitering moment. I think he's been generally less intense with the physical stuff since hurting his shoulder. Can't blame him, still so young and it's a long year and he's playing on some big guys. He'll improve in that area, he's such an exciting talent. I agree on the corralling, it can be bloody frustrating when you just want to see them cracking in. Gibbs for instance can get into a 'corral mindset' which is frustrating because I think he's a fantastic tackler as evidenced by yesterday.

Very pleased with yesterday and the last 2 weeks really. Very impressive improvement because we were on a downward trend for a few weeks which I thought would continue for the rest of the year. In particular our attacking mindset has returned after a few weeks of being lost with ball in hand.

Keep it up Baggers!


Isn't this exactly the team defence BB preaches? Part of it at times is to coral and force a disposal that results in a turnover. Rather than rush the player and overcommit. However this requires the rest of the team to be set up correctly behind Jacob. It only takes one player to be out of position to give the opposition the easy pass over the corralling player.

It's cool to not like it, but it's certainly a team rule not a Jacob decision and certainly nothing to do with Jacob's shoulder.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:21 am 
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I was really impressed. I forgo that Walker, Jammo, Dre and Thomas weren't out there and to be honest I didn't miss them.

Another quality inside mid and a small forward will see us start winning games


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This has got to be the best tackle of 2016!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:03 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
First game at the SCG. Crowd felt so unnatural & manufactured. Only time they pay attention is when someone scores.


Being a Sydney resident, I'd say they are genuine in their support but don't really "get" the game. The prime example was the Sydney vs. GWS game at the SCG this season. The first 15 minutes of the game was some of the most intense footy you'll ever see: big hits, ferocious tackles, smothers, etc. Real high quality stuff that would have the MCG roaring. But after those 15 minutes the score was 0.1 to 0.0, and you could hear a pin drop. Then finally Sydney breaks through for a goal, and the crowd wakes up from its slumber with a heartfelt cheer. Man, for me the goal was the anti-climax to some seriously amazing football, but I guess Sydneysiders are all about the razzamatazz.



I don't really get the game anymore. Neither do the commentators or supposed 'experts' who are paid to watch it for a living. The rules change weekly and overlap each other...it's impossible to officiate or understand the rules


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A shoe in as tackle of the week


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:30 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
"Hawks kicked 75 points last week and beat the Swans.

CFC kicked 75 points last week and lost to WCE.

Can you see the correlation?"

Wrote this in the pre-match discussion. If we kicked 75 points we would of won....by a point!

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Blueboy74 wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
Buddy and the extra moneys in the swans salary cap was probably the difference.

Was watching the game thinking what a shitty spectacle this product of a game is. Playing against a team with a greater salary cap who signed the marquee player in the league, on a different sized ground where they structure their gameplay to, listening to douche commentators like Watson, that other Essendon*** guy and basil, while the umpires pay crappy frees due to the over abundance of rule changes and different interpretations....just thinking that this league is crap.

Nothing to do with the blues and the fantastic effort they put in, very proud of the whole team.

But man what a sham of a league


We lost because of their advantage to sign one player?, this differs how from when we could sign the likes of Motley, Kernahan, Bradley, Naley, Dorotich, Bosustow, Hunter and Williams from interstate, whilst shipping our cast-offs to the likes of Fitzroy and St Kilda?

So many want to go back the good old days, because of frustration of compromised drafts, the failure of equalisation, academy's, COLA, and whatever tap in79 is on about in his posts and return the days where Carlton won 7 flags in 20 years, Collingwood made 40 GFs in 100 years, Hawks made 7 GFs in a row, and 50% of teams in a 12 team comp - St Kilda, Footscray, Geelong, Melbourne, Fitzroy and South Melbourne didn't win a flag between them in a 40 year period.

And you say it's a farce about what the SCG is, but I assume you had no problem playing at Princes Park which was so small it's 50m line was about 44m, and at the time had a playing length that was 29m shorter than VFL Park?

Style of play and commentary is subjective taste, so no qualms there however I remember when people would loathe the likes of Don Scott, Morphett, McKenna and pine for the days of Williamson and co. from the 60s. As for umpiring, people hated Coates, Russo, Goldspink, Vernon, Harvey etc in the 90s, and more than likely Boyle, Bremmer and Briscoe 100 years ago.

It's your right to think it's a sham now - and you may well be correct, but on your logic and the examples I've given it always has been, perhaps now you are more aware of it due to greater exposure.

Last week there were supporter on here whinging that Hawks beat Sydney due to the leg up they get from the league and umpirimg, and now some are claiming we lost to Sydney for the same reasons....

Sorry to hijack, but blaming everything from the AFL to tidal movements rather than what we've been able to control for losses or our current predicament frustrates me.


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