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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:19 pm 
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Do people who think we should follow the Geelong/Sydney/Hawthorn (take your pick) model, seriously think that those clubs have ever been as low as Carlton has been since those clubs have been doing what they are doing recruitment wise? I'm sad to say it but I think Melbourne is a better example for us at this stage.

Yes, let's not trade anyone of value because being below mediocre is far too precious an ideal to further risk being absolutely s***house. That seems to be about the level we are working at, at this stage. :?


St Kilda are a good example too, though they got closer to the summit than we did before they fell away.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:33 am 
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He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


my gut tells me sos will be ruthless


delist - Walker, Jamieson, Smith, Thomas, Whiley, Gorringe. (unfortunately none of these guys have any currency whatsoever and should be moved on)

look to trade (if the price is right, must be for draft picks or players under 23) - Gibbs, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Levi, Everitt

for me the loss to the Crows was a final reality check, I may be a little slow on the uptake but I kept hoping Daisy could regain something worthwhile... but given his age, there's no way he's ever going to get back his former spark, time to move on.

I'm a big fan of Kreuzer and Gibbs, mainly for the loyalty they've shown to the Blues, but we have to be realistic and move them on while they still have a little currency. Tuohy also, he's as good as he's going to get, I think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.


Of the real senior players I think we need to keep Simpson, Murphy, Rowe (just for a bigger body down back) and Armfield (for his work ethic and intensity).



pretty sure Thomas has a 700k deal for next season as well. also think walker may have a deal until the end of 17....


here's hoping Walker recognizes his body isn't up to it any more and retires graciously... you never know, maybe Daisy will do us a favor and do the same thing..


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:25 pm 
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Judds Junk wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
Judds Junk wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Mots87 wrote:
He's out of contact at the end of the season. Interesting to see what transpires. SOS seems in no rush to sign up our uncontracted players at the minute and neither he should be.


my gut tells me sos will be ruthless


delist - Walker, Jamieson, Smith, Thomas, Whiley, Gorringe. (unfortunately none of these guys have any currency whatsoever and should be moved on)

look to trade (if the price is right, must be for draft picks or players under 23) - Gibbs, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Levi, Everitt

for me the loss to the Crows was a final reality check, I may be a little slow on the uptake but I kept hoping Daisy could regain something worthwhile... but given his age, there's no way he's ever going to get back his former spark, time to move on.

I'm a big fan of Kreuzer and Gibbs, mainly for the loyalty they've shown to the Blues, but we have to be realistic and move them on while they still have a little currency. Tuohy also, he's as good as he's going to get, I think we could get a 2nd round pick for him.


Of the real senior players I think we need to keep Simpson, Murphy, Rowe (just for a bigger body down back) and Armfield (for his work ethic and intensity).



pretty sure Thomas has a 700k deal for next season as well. also think walker may have a deal until the end of 17....


here's hoping Walker recognizes his body isn't up to it any more and retires graciously... you never know, maybe Daisy will do us a favor and do the same thing..


Sadly I doubt it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:44 pm 
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From a list management perspective it might help if Walker & Jamison retired, maybe even Thomas too. But we're talking about real people here and talking about their livelihoods and defining decision in their future. Would anyone here willingly leave their job knowing that they would never earn as much money again, knowing they'll never get a second chance to come back to it and knowing they're going to be paid a third as much next year?
I wouldn't and I don't expect players to do it just to be nice. Let's not resent these types of players simply for honoring a contract they worked hard to receive.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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From a list management perspective it might help if Walker & Jamison retired, maybe even Thomas too. But we're talking about real people here and talking about their livelihoods and defining decision in their future. Would anyone here willingly leave their job knowing that they would never earn as much money again, knowing they'll never get a second chance to come back to it and knowing they're going to be paid a third as much next year?
I wouldn't and I don't expect players to do it just to be nice. Let's not resent these types of players simply for honoring a contract they worked hard to receive.


thats why we have boards and ceos to make these hard calls ..correction easy calls in the case of aw, jamo and daisy... for the greater good of the club


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:35 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
From a list management perspective it might help if Walker & Jamison retired, maybe even Thomas too. But we're talking about real people here and talking about their livelihoods and defining decision in their future. Would anyone here willingly leave their job knowing that they would never earn as much money again, knowing they'll never get a second chance to come back to it and knowing they're going to be paid a third as much next year?
I wouldn't and I don't expect players to do it just to be nice. Let's not resent these types of players simply for honoring a contract they worked hard to receive.


thats why we have boards and ceos to make these hard calls ..correction easy calls in the case of aw, jamo and daisy... for the greater good of the club

If you're suggesting that we should delist them, I disagree. Paying 800k to guys to stay at home doesn't make much sense. There are enough others who should be chopped first before Walker and Thomas.
If you're suggesting the club made mistakes offering the length of contracts to these guys, that has merit.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:15 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
From a list management perspective it might help if Walker & Jamison retired, maybe even Thomas too. But we're talking about real people here and talking about their livelihoods and defining decision in their future. Would anyone here willingly leave their job knowing that they would never earn as much money again, knowing they'll never get a second chance to come back to it and knowing they're going to be paid a third as much next year?
I wouldn't and I don't expect players to do it just to be nice. Let's not resent these types of players simply for honoring a contract they worked hard to receive.


thats why we have boards and ceos to make these hard calls ..correction easy calls in the case of aw, jamo and daisy... for the greater good of the club

If you're suggesting that we should delist them, I disagree. Paying 800k to guys to stay at home doesn't make much sense. There are enough others who should be chopped first before Walker and Thomas.
If you're suggesting the club made mistakes offering the length of contracts to these guys, that has merit.


daisy adds nothing and we would be better off if we get him out of the joint

walker and jamo are cooked


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:00 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
From a list management perspective it might help if Walker & Jamison retired, maybe even Thomas too. But we're talking about real people here and talking about their livelihoods and defining decision in their future. Would anyone here willingly leave their job knowing that they would never earn as much money again, knowing they'll never get a second chance to come back to it and knowing they're going to be paid a third as much next year?
I wouldn't and I don't expect players to do it just to be nice. Let's not resent these types of players simply for honoring a contract they worked hard to receive.


thats why we have boards and ceos to make these hard calls ..correction easy calls in the case of aw, jamo and daisy... for the greater good of the club

If you're suggesting that we should delist them, I disagree. Paying 800k to guys to stay at home doesn't make much sense. There are enough others who should be chopped first before Walker and Thomas.
If you're suggesting the club made mistakes offering the length of contracts to these guys, that has merit.


daisy adds nothing and we would be better off if we get him out of the joint

walker and jamo are cooked


I think Daisy will at least play another year... I do wonder if Walker gets told at the end of the season with all the young forwards coming through chances are you're going to be playing in the 2's majority of the season if he might just choose to retire on his own... with McKay, Curnow and Silvagni coming through, beyond this season there really is no excuse for playing him in the seniors, and that doesn't even account for any new forwards we may acquire in the draft or through trades.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:35 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
From a list management perspective it might help if Walker & Jamison retired, maybe even Thomas too. But we're talking about real people here and talking about their livelihoods and defining decision in their future. Would anyone here willingly leave their job knowing that they would never earn as much money again, knowing they'll never get a second chance to come back to it and knowing they're going to be paid a third as much next year?
I wouldn't and I don't expect players to do it just to be nice. Let's not resent these types of players simply for honoring a contract they worked hard to receive.


thats why we have boards and ceos to make these hard calls ..correction easy calls in the case of aw, jamo and daisy... for the greater good of the club

If you're suggesting that we should delist them, I disagree. Paying 800k to guys to stay at home doesn't make much sense. There are enough others who should be chopped first before Walker and Thomas.
If you're suggesting the club made mistakes offering the length of contracts to these guys, that has merit.


daisy adds nothing and we would be better off if we get him out of the joint

walker and jamo are cooked

Even if Thomas did retire we would still have to include his contract in our salary cap because he came as a free agent.
Aren't here rumours that Jamo will retire?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:19 pm 
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According to barass70 from BigFooty, Brisbane keen on Casboult, Nth and Richmond Tuohy.

Was the man with the mail last year, so will be interesting to see what eventuates.....

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Why would Brisbane want Casboult ??


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:25 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
According to barass70 from BigFooty, Brisbane keen on Casboult, Nth and Richmond Tuohy.

Was the man with the mail last year, so will be interesting to see what eventuates.....

Was just about to post this, barass70 usually has good mail.
He also posted that Charlie has a medial injury and will miss the rest of the season.
I hope the club has a plan if Casboult does leave, we are reportedly in contract talks with him so the club must want him to stay.


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Why would Brisbane want Casboult ??


They went after him last year, but he was still under contract.

The old "big body to protect young" theory maybe as he'd be at worst an upgrade on Walker, or Trent West if they want a fwd/ruck. Playing West - who can't go forward - also impacts on Martin's output.

Tuohy is interesting. Has been some talk about Sydney, but nothing reliable. Nth would make sense it that I mentioned last week after seeing them live about how poor they were behind the ball in regards to run and kicking skills. Richmond are the same, hence playing Deledio back there a lot of the time, and will probably be delusional enough to think they don't need to rebuild.

I like Zac, but like Levi at 27 next year he might not fit the age bracket of a rebuild, yet still has some currency elsewhere and importantly plays in a position that is a) one of our stronger areas - at least in comparison to the midfield and KPP's, and b) is one of the easier positions to replace.

For us we need to give a little to hopefully gain a lot more. Fringe players have very little currency from bottom six teams, and clubs would rather take similar players as delisted free agents such as we did with Matty Wright.

Not going to bother with long winded trade scenarios as there would be so much more to play out, but for barass to share there is clearly enough smoke to expect something to play out.......

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Lions have Schache Paparone Walker Hipwood Freeman...

but hell if they want Casboult...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:54 pm 
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Geez stay tuned to which Carlton player/administrator/recruiter etc Richmond are linked to next year. But especially player.

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Rexy wrote:
Lions have Schache Paparone Walker Hipwood Freeman...

but hell if they want Casboult...

Paparone is more of a defender and Hipwood can play down there. Also except for Walker and probably Paparone (haven't looked it up) the rest are only in their teens or barely there. I guess you can't overplay them and yeah, protecting the kids theory.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Bolt from the Blue wrote:
Geez stay tuned to which Carlton player/administrator/recruiter etc Richmond are linked to next year. But especially player.


can you speculate?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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kezza wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
According to barass70 from BigFooty, Brisbane keen on Casboult, Nth and Richmond Tuohy.

Was the man with the mail last year, so will be interesting to see what eventuates.....

Was just about to post this, barass70 usually has good mail.
He also posted that Charlie has a medial injury and will miss the rest of the season.
I hope the club has a plan if Casboult does leave, we are reportedly in contract talks with him so the club must want him to stay.

Wow, he got the early mail on Charlie's medial? Must really be in the know. Most people didn't even know he was injured.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Brisbane want Levi every year. Sadly Mayes re-signed. Don't even think about Lewy Taylor SOS


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:22 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
kezza wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
According to barass70 from BigFooty, Brisbane keen on Casboult, Nth and Richmond Tuohy.

Was the man with the mail last year, so will be interesting to see what eventuates.....

Was just about to post this, barass70 usually has good mail.
He also posted that Charlie has a medial injury and will miss the rest of the season.
I hope the club has a plan if Casboult does leave, we are reportedly in contract talks with him so the club must want him to stay.

Wow, he got the early mail on Charlie's medial? Must really be in the know. Most people didn't even know he was injured.


So now he knows who'll win the Brownlow as well?

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