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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:05 am 
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This time next year I'd be surprised if Krooz is taking too many centre bounces.

Phillips should have taken the last one against the WCE .

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:15 am 
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This time next year I'd be surprised if Krooz is taking too many centre bounces.

Phillips should have taken the last one against the WCE .


What would Krooz be doing if he's not taking centre bounces? He doesn't offer much up forward, if he doesn't ruck either you would have to drop him.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:26 am 
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Given the coaches comments post match I would suggest that the only change will be Casboult in and Weitering out injured.


Seriously ?

Boekhurst an automatic inclusion......pace and penetrating kick .....we ain't got much of that at the minute !

Sumner must make way. The little guy was ok for about a month or so, but has been pretty average last few weeks. A full pre season may see him improve but a Blues team aiming for top 4 in coming years probably won't have him in it ?

In: Casboult, Boekhurst
Out: Sumner, Weitering (pls don't risk this great kid in a nothing game for the CFC)



I disagree with your comments on Sumner. Bolton has made it very clear the emphasis this year is on team defence. His defensive pressure has been second to none in the forward half of the ground and for this reason I cannot see him being dropped. He is playing his team role.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:36 am 
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I can't believe people are calling for Graham to be dropped ... amazing ...


He was easily in the top half of performers on Sunday. Deserves a start next week against one of the best midfields in the comp.

Honest question from somebody who has never played DreamTeam stuff and doesn't understand how the DT points are calculated. Can a player have a poor game but still score high DT points?



It is possible to score well on DT and not play well, not as much on Supercoach which penalises clangers and rewards efficeincy and score assists. DT gives you 3 points for any kick, a 60m pin point pass or a 2m dribble off the ground.
However Graham scored 100 points meaning he as at least involved in the game. I only saw 2 quarters and didn't see much that he did but you get rewarded for tackling also.
It is hard to be poor and score 100. You can be ineffective though

*edit* Just looked up his stats. 8 tackles - 32 ponts, 10 marks - 30 points 9 kicks 27 points, 7 handballs 1 points 103 total, then i free against which is -3

So at least you can say he was tackling and working.

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Don't think we'll win, but SCG and Sydney's relatively slow midfield will suit us and our style. Difference will be same as WCE, we make 3more shocking errors, we lose by 3 goals. With Sydney, there's a chance we'll make 7or 8 more, there's the score difference.

Also...BB would be a handy in, even though the SCG isn't ideal for quicks

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:44 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
MIL wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Given the coaches comments post match I would suggest that the only change will be Casboult in and Weitering out injured.


Seriously ?

Boekhurst an automatic inclusion......pace and penetrating kick .....we ain't got much of that at the minute !

Sumner must make way. The little guy was ok for about a month or so, but has been pretty average last few weeks. A full pre season may see him improve but a Blues team aiming for top 4 in coming years probably won't have him in it ?

In: Casboult, Boekhurst
Out: Sumner, Weitering (pls don't risk this great kid in a nothing game for the CFC)



I disagree with your comments on Sumner. Bolton has made it very clear the emphasis this year is on team defence. His defensive pressure has been second to none in the forward half of the ground and for this reason I cannot see him being dropped. He is playing his team role.


For someone that has kicked 5 goals and averaged 9 disposals a game Sumner needs to do more then just put on defensive pressure.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:08 pm 
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Hope we persist with Graham, Jaksch, Sumner, Lamb, Philips, Buckley. Bring Boekhorst in too.

We can see easily what we have in Cripps, Weitering, Docherty, Byrne and Plowman. Very confident in the direction C Curnow, Silvagni and McKay are heading in. We've got some stars of the future there so developing the remainder of the future team should be the focus for the rest of the year. It's been a very positive year for the club and the coaching has been outstanding compared the last few years but we've missed a golden opportunity to develop Graham in the seniors while Murphy has been out.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:17 pm 
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scottopee wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
MIL wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Given the coaches comments post match I would suggest that the only change will be Casboult in and Weitering out injured.


Seriously ?

Boekhurst an automatic inclusion......pace and penetrating kick .....we ain't got much of that at the minute !

Sumner must make way. The little guy was ok for about a month or so, but has been pretty average last few weeks. A full pre season may see him improve but a Blues team aiming for top 4 in coming years probably won't have him in it ?

In: Casboult, Boekhurst
Out: Sumner, Weitering (pls don't risk this great kid in a nothing game for the CFC)



I disagree with your comments on Sumner. Bolton has made it very clear the emphasis this year is on team defence. His defensive pressure has been second to none in the forward half of the ground and for this reason I cannot see him being dropped. He is playing his team role.


For someone that has kicked 5 goals and averaged 9 disposals a game Sumner needs to do more then just put on defensive pressure.


I'd say years of not playing due to injury, combined with a lack of a pre-season he might be running out of puff. Look forward to to seeing next year with a full pre-season with this season under his belt.


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billc3 wrote:
Don't think we'll win, but SCG and Sydney's relatively slow midfield will suit us and our style. Difference will be same as WCE, we make 3more shocking errors, we lose by 3 goals. With Sydney, there's a chance we'll make 7or 8 more, there's the score difference.

Also...BB would be a handy in, even though the SCG isn't ideal for quicks


Yes, for many years it did suit the spinners.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:36 pm 
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jim wrote:
scottopee wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
MIL wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Given the coaches comments post match I would suggest that the only change will be Casboult in and Weitering out injured.


Seriously ?

Boekhurst an automatic inclusion......pace and penetrating kick .....we ain't got much of that at the minute !

Sumner must make way. The little guy was ok for about a month or so, but has been pretty average last few weeks. A full pre season may see him improve but a Blues team aiming for top 4 in coming years probably won't have him in it ?

In: Casboult, Boekhurst
Out: Sumner, Weitering (pls don't risk this great kid in a nothing game for the CFC)



I disagree with your comments on Sumner. Bolton has made it very clear the emphasis this year is on team defence. His defensive pressure has been second to none in the forward half of the ground and for this reason I cannot see him being dropped. He is playing his team role.


For someone that has kicked 5 goals and averaged 9 disposals a game Sumner needs to do more then just put on defensive pressure.


I'd say years of not playing due to injury, combined with a lack of a pre-season he might be running out of puff. Look forward to to seeing next year with a full pre-season with this season under his belt.


?? Sumner played 2 full seasons before last years injuries and had played just under 40 NEAFL games when at the Giants. Plus he's played a full year this year so too much is made of his injuries. I'm sure a preseason will help but for someone who is just short of 23yrs of age and a pick 10 he hasn't impressed me much.......


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:24 pm 
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Somner's had plenty of track time. It's up to him to be fit enough and good enough to excel.
I'd guess he's played since round 4 and missed one game with a foot scare, and back the next.

The footy is a bar of soap for Sumner at this stage...imo
He's been given plenty of games to show improvement and imo hasn't blown me away.
He's shown glimpses over 10 games. Sorry, not enough.

Hopefully next year. Maybe later rounds.
Next...lets see someone else. That's my opinion. Lets see what Bolts thinks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:57 am 
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Not having a preseason is a massive disadavantage. Sumner could improve dramatically with a full preseason. He will get to more contests, more second efforts etc


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:46 am 
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scottopee wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
MIL wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Given the coaches comments post match I would suggest that the only change will be Casboult in and Weitering out injured.


Seriously ?

Boekhurst an automatic inclusion......pace and penetrating kick .....we ain't got much of that at the minute !

Sumner must make way. The little guy was ok for about a month or so, but has been pretty average last few weeks. A full pre season may see him improve but a Blues team aiming for top 4 in coming years probably won't have him in it ?

In: Casboult, Boekhurst
Out: Sumner, Weitering (pls don't risk this great kid in a nothing game for the CFC)



I disagree with your comments on Sumner. Bolton has made it very clear the emphasis this year is on team defence. His defensive pressure has been second to none in the forward half of the ground and for this reason I cannot see him being dropped. He is playing his team role.


For someone that has kicked 5 goals and averaged 9 disposals a game Sumner needs to do more then just put on defensive pressure.



That might be your wish but it is clearly not the expectation of Bolton.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:23 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
scottopee wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
MIL wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Given the coaches comments post match I would suggest that the only change will be Casboult in and Weitering out injured.


Seriously ?

Boekhurst an automatic inclusion......pace and penetrating kick .....we ain't got much of that at the minute !

Sumner must make way. The little guy was ok for about a month or so, but has been pretty average last few weeks. A full pre season may see him improve but a Blues team aiming for top 4 in coming years probably won't have him in it ?

In: Casboult, Boekhurst
Out: Sumner, Weitering (pls don't risk this great kid in a nothing game for the CFC)



I disagree with your comments on Sumner. Bolton has made it very clear the emphasis this year is on team defence. His defensive pressure has been second to none in the forward half of the ground and for this reason I cannot see him being dropped. He is playing his team role.


For someone that has kicked 5 goals and averaged 9 disposals a game Sumner needs to do more then just put on defensive pressure.



That might be your wish but it is clearly not the expectation of Bolton.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that to be the case on the basis of purely his inclusion in the side. We don't know that Bolts hasn't asked more from him in regards to scoring, getting the ball and disposal efficiency.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:24 pm 
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Weren't that bad in stages against them earlier in the year.
Hope for some further good signs from Charlie, SOS, Weiters etc

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:50 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
scottopee wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
MIL wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Given the coaches comments post match I would suggest that the only change will be Casboult in and Weitering out injured.


Seriously ?

Boekhurst an automatic inclusion......pace and penetrating kick .....we ain't got much of that at the minute !

Sumner must make way. The little guy was ok for about a month or so, but has been pretty average last few weeks. A full pre season may see him improve but a Blues team aiming for top 4 in coming years probably won't have him in it ?

In: Casboult, Boekhurst
Out: Sumner, Weitering (pls don't risk this great kid in a nothing game for the CFC)



I disagree with your comments on Sumner. Bolton has made it very clear the emphasis this year is on team defence. His defensive pressure has been second to none in the forward half of the ground and for this reason I cannot see him being dropped. He is playing his team role.


For someone that has kicked 5 goals and averaged 9 disposals a game Sumner needs to do more then just put on defensive pressure.



That might be your wish but it is clearly not the expectation of Bolton.


Is that what Bolton told you about Sumner?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:18 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Somner's had plenty of track time. It's up to him to be fit enough and good enough to excel.
I'd guess he's played since round 4 and missed one game with a foot scare, and back the next.

The footy is a bar of soap for Sumner at this stage...imo
He's been given plenty of games to show improvement and imo hasn't blown me away.
He's shown glimpses over 10 games. Sorry, not enough.

Hopefully next year. Maybe later rounds.
Next...lets see someone else. That's my opinion. Lets see what Bolts thinks.


I agree he probably needs to do a bit more, dropped off recently. I think he's getting tired though from an interrupted pre season and niggles.

I think we can see there's something there, there's talent. See him playing the Armfield type role long term hopefully with more upside.

A solid contributor but needs to do more. Wouldn't mind if they gave him a spell for a bit to freshen him up. He's the type that can get 10 possessions and still be effective due to the forward pressure he brings 'most' weeks...

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Syd Swans v Carlton

IN: Cunningham, X Richards, Foote, Heeney
OUT: T Richards, McGlynn, McVeigh, Jones.

IN: Casboult, Boekhorst
OUT: Lamb, Jaksch (both omitted)

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Glad to see Boekhorst in and Graham keeping his spot. Really hoping for decent games from both of them.


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