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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:16 pm 
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Crippa wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
10 goal flogging no 4 and 1 x 9 goal flogging.
With Swans and eagle and hawks to come could end up losing a 1/3rd of our games by 10 goals plus.
That is Pagan / Malthouse kind of territory


Possibly the silliest post I've seen in a while. The improvement this year and more importantly the structure and spirit in place to continue improving over the next few years is clear. Maybe it's just the frustration of a really poor second half yesterday that has you seeing the glass half empty. Chin up.

Not falling for that one, again :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:29 pm 
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or perhaps for Bolts at this stage winning isn't the be all.

this

Hopefully.
A few obvious moves cou ld have been made.Dennis on fire, put Phillips at full forward and Caz in the ruck...even for a minute. Phillips out marked Talia, defenders wouldn't leave Dennis to help out etc.
As it was Talia was killing Caz and nothing happened to change it....hope it's a learning thing!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:38 pm 
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I didn't think Bolton had his best day yesterday. They constantly had a spare player in defense and we would always fall in to the trap of kicking it to an out numbered contest. He admitted that he was aware of this in the press conference when a reporter asked why he chose not to man up Rory Laird, he claimed he didn't want it to effect our other structures. I can understand if you start a game this was, but clearly it wasn't working for us and we needed to recognize this and make some changes.


Them having a spare player back gives us more inside fifties with switching play made easier. The Crows are good at not only stopping a team from scoring once inside 50 they score from the entry themselves. Usually a goal kicked from the goal square.
They are a hard team to crack. You have to be better at doing what you want to do than they are at doing what they want to do. Not sure manning up the spare would have helped us. We just have to be better. Bolton is right to stick with the structure he wants long term. Malthouse did that with Collingwood in the years leading up to 2010 when the Pies almost won on footballs biggest day.

It is important not to let the players off the hook in my opinion.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:38 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Pros:
Defence held up as much as could be possibly expected
32k crowd was pretty good given today's weather


Cons:
Kreuzer is contributing SFA. Outgunned by Jacobs. I can only hope Kreuz would kick a goal in a game, Sauce got 3 today. Did we really choose Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock over Sauce?
Casboult is a dumb limited footballer who looks totally frustrated
Kerridge justified the Crows decision to trade to us
Walker & Everitt are struggling

Selection panel needs to consider changing things. It's just not working with the same crew.



Agree with all of this.

The umpiring was extremely frustrating too.

Point 1 - What is the deal with the holding the ball rule now?
So if you grab the ball and within one second you are tackled and you haven't had prior opportunity and a thousand players sit on top of you - that is now holding the ball because you "haven't made a serious attempt to get rid of the ball"? How can you when 10 players are holding you?

Point 2 - Why don't umpires have the courage to pay in the backs when it is against a forward. Adelaide's forwards - Eddie Betts included - got away with murder. Two early goals to Adelaide came from the umpires misinterpreting the in the back rule and both of them involved Eddie Betts. One for Eddie falling over for a contest, and the other one for Eddie pushing a bloke square in the back.


Point 3 - I would just like to see more play through the corridor. And I would like to see forward lines that are opened up. Clear everyone out of the forward line for some plays, kick over the top, have leading forwards for other plays. The leading in the forward line is woeful. It is too boxed in and crowded.



Point 4 - Have they thought of playing Simon White in the forward line? I would imagine he would at least lead and get a mark or two.


Point 5 - The AFL owes a great debt of thanks to Carlton supporters who have turned up to matches week in week out season after season even though they know prior to the match they are going to lose it. The AFL will instead funnel millions of dollars into the Brisbane Lions. This is a club that has within the last 12 years won 3 flags on end... Dollar for dollar what the AFL gives to Brisbane has to be given to Carlton.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl ... 98e9f3afb6


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:10 pm 
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Hasn't White played forward the last couple of weeks?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:51 pm 
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Yes. He started forward again from memory but went back after Weitering conceded a couple of goals.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:20 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
Pros:
Defence held up as much as could be possibly expected
32k crowd was pretty good given today's weather


Cons:
Kreuzer is contributing SFA. Outgunned by Jacobs. I can only hope Kreuz would kick a goal in a game, Sauce got 3 today. Did we really choose Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock over Sauce?
Casboult is a dumb limited footballer who looks totally frustrated
Kerridge justified the Crows decision to trade to us
Walker & Everitt are struggling

Selection panel needs to consider changing things. It's just not working with the same crew.



Agree with all of this.

The umpiring was extremely frustrating too.

Point 1 - What is the deal with the holding the ball rule now?
So if you grab the ball and within one second you are tackled and you haven't had prior opportunity and a thousand players sit on top of you - that is now holding the ball because you "haven't made a serious attempt to get rid of the ball"? How can you when 10 players are holding you?

Point 2 - Why don't umpires have the courage to pay in the backs when it is against a forward. Adelaide's forwards - Eddie Betts included - got away with murder. Two early goals to Adelaide came from the umpires misinterpreting the in the back rule and both of them involved Eddie Betts. One for Eddie falling over for a contest, and the other one for Eddie pushing a bloke square in the back.


Point 3 - I would just like to see more play through the corridor. And I would like to see forward lines that are opened up. Clear everyone out of the forward line for some plays, kick over the top, have leading forwards for other plays. The leading in the forward line is woeful. It is too boxed in and crowded.



Point 4 - Have they thought of playing Simon White in the forward line? I would imagine he would at least lead and get a mark or two.


Point 5 - The AFL owes a great debt of thanks to Carlton supporters who have turned up to matches week in week out season after season even though they know prior to the match they are going to lose it. The AFL will instead funnel millions of dollars into the Brisbane Lions. This is a club that has within the last 12 years won 3 flags on end... Dollar for dollar what the AFL gives to Brisbane has to be given to Carlton.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl ... 98e9f3afb6

Good luck with that.
The AFL needs people in Brisbane to turn on their TVs. That's driving it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:07 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
Pros:
Defence held up as much as could be possibly expected
32k crowd was pretty good given today's weather


Cons:
Kreuzer is contributing SFA. Outgunned by Jacobs. I can only hope Kreuz would kick a goal in a game, Sauce got 3 today. Did we really choose Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock over Sauce?
Casboult is a dumb limited footballer who looks totally frustrated
Kerridge justified the Crows decision to trade to us
Walker & Everitt are struggling

Selection panel needs to consider changing things. It's just not working with the same crew.



Agree with all of this.

The umpiring was extremely frustrating too.

Point 1 - What is the deal with the holding the ball rule now?
So if you grab the ball and within one second you are tackled and you haven't had prior opportunity and a thousand players sit on top of you - that is now holding the ball because you "haven't made a serious attempt to get rid of the ball"? How can you when 10 players are holding you?

Point 2 - Why don't umpires have the courage to pay in the backs when it is against a forward. Adelaide's forwards - Eddie Betts included - got away with murder. Two early goals to Adelaide came from the umpires misinterpreting the in the back rule and both of them involved Eddie Betts. One for Eddie falling over for a contest, and the other one for Eddie pushing a bloke square in the back.


Point 3 - I would just like to see more play through the corridor. And I would like to see forward lines that are opened up. Clear everyone out of the forward line for some plays, kick over the top, have leading forwards for other plays. The leading in the forward line is woeful. It is too boxed in and crowded.



Point 4 - Have they thought of playing Simon White in the forward line? I would imagine he would at least lead and get a mark or two.


Point 5 - The AFL owes a great debt of thanks to Carlton supporters who have turned up to matches week in week out season after season even though they know prior to the match they are going to lose it. The AFL will instead funnel millions of dollars into the Brisbane Lions. This is a club that has within the last 12 years won 3 flags on end... Dollar for dollar what the AFL gives to Brisbane has to be given to Carlton.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl ... 98e9f3afb6

Good luck with that.
The AFL needs people in Brisbane to turn on their TVs. That's driving it.


15 years ago I would have partly agreed with this viewpoint that the AFL should assist the Lions,....but Brisbane has won 3 premierships since then and so therefore they should not be getting any more assistance that puts them ahead of other clubs such as Carlton.

The welfare and growth of Carlton (a healthy Carlton could generate massive crowds, 70,000 membership sponsorship etc for the AFL) should be THE priority for the AFL.

Dollar for dollar whatever assistance the AFL gives to Brisbane WILL HAVE to be matched to Carlton. If not, the Carlton board should go to war with the AFL. The time for playing nice has officially ended.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:09 pm 
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Good luck with that.

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