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10 goal flogging no 4 and 1 x 9 goal flogging.
With Swans and eagle and hawks to come could end up losing a 1/3rd of our games by 10 goals plus.
That is Pagan / Malthouse kind of territory

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:42 pm 
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jim wrote:
Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility.

The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again.

Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes


Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious.


I agree with the theory, but would drop Kreuzer and Casboult for Jaksch and Charlie ( when fit again)
The first year guys aren't ready, especially of glandular fever.

Kreuzer is terrific when he plays as the only ruckman, as we've seen this year, and Casboult is way better when he gets a run on the ball. Kreuzer's best is near always when he's either the only ruckman or, by contrast, his worst when he shares. We've seen that a million times now. If you drop a ruckman then Casboult has to play to support the one ruckman anyway. Once Casboult gets his hands on the ball marking around the ground when rucking he's a way better player. Think the first Collingwood game. Kreuzer was terrific, Casboult took 11 marks. 7 contested and kicked 3 goals. It was the same last year too, one of the few things that went any good. Casboult, or anyone else, has zero chance of playing well when he's the only key forward with no support from the rucks, Everitt or Walker. Easy work for the defence. Hence we can't kick a goal to save ourselves, unless Dennis is bombing them from outside 50. Need to go back to when we were winning games.

I'd go with Kreuzer, with ruck support from Casboult and Jaksch in as the other key forward. Eventually McKay, C.Curnow and Jaksch may take over the key position roles but right now we have to make the best of Levi.


Still too many excuses for Kreuzer

Get used to the fact that he is average (like our list)

Work horse at best and is a liability against the good ruck men


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:42 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:

Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes



If this was our ONLY bad decision in the draft over the past 6 years we'd be top 4 side by now.


Yes, but that one stands out as an example of how bad that aspect has been. Premiership are won by side that get their 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds often right too. Hawthorn and Geelong are prime example.

We did well for a few years when our rookie list provided us with so much, with 10 or 11 of our 2011 semi final side coming from there. That's only going to last so long though but it does emphasise the point that getting things right beyond the first round is so important. Currently our best key forward was a 3rd round rookie selection. Done a great job considering but can't be expected to be one out key forward against good defences. Done pretty well as I said but Fev he isn't.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:43 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility.

The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again.

Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes


Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious.


I agree with the theory, but would drop Kreuzer and Casboult for Jaksch and Charlie ( when fit again)


Casboult will be ok if we play a second tall fwd, he's being swamped by defenders every time we kick long to him....which is pretty much all the time.....


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:46 pm 
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WOW wrote:
jim wrote:
Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility.

The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again.

Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes


Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious.


I agree with the theory, but would drop Kreuzer and Casboult for Jaksch and Charlie ( when fit again)
The first year guys aren't ready, especially of glandular fever.

Kreuzer is terrific when he plays as the only ruckman, as we've seen this year, and Casboult is way better when he gets a run on the ball. Kreuzer's best is near always when he's either the only ruckman or, by contrast, his worst when he shares. We've seen that a million times now. If you drop a ruckman then Casboult has to play to support the one ruckman anyway. Once Casboult gets his hands on the ball marking around the ground when rucking he's a way better player. Think the first Collingwood game. Kreuzer was terrific, Casboult took 11 marks. 7 contested and kicked 3 goals. It was the same last year too, one of the few things that went any good. Casboult, or anyone else, has zero chance of playing well when he's the only key forward with no support from the rucks, Everitt or Walker. Easy work for the defence. Hence we can't kick a goal to save ourselves, unless Dennis is bombing them from outside 50. Need to go back to when we were winning games.

I'd go with Kreuzer, with ruck support from Casboult and Jaksch in as the other key forward. Eventually McKay, C.Curnow and Jaksch may take over the key position roles but right now we have to make the best of Levi.


Still too many excuses for Kreuzer

Get used to the fact that he is average (like our list)

Work horse at best and is a liability against the good ruck men


it's something we weren't saying a few weeks ago when he was our one ruck against Collingwood, Port and Geelong. It's not excuses it's a fact, he's twice the player when he rucks on his own. Proven time and again. Though, must admit, he should play ALOT better when he's sharing. Shouldn't excuse that fact, agree with that, but given that's how it is we need to structure our side to suit.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:46 pm 
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Highlight of the day SOSOS kicks his first goal.

Not a lot to be excited about. Armfield had a good patch, Cripps was solid and Wright had a go at it.

Simply outclassed by a much better side. We've got to get better and that's going to take time.

Go Blues!!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:48 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility.

The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again.

Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes


Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious.


I agree with the theory, but would drop Kreuzer and Casboult for Jaksch and Charlie ( when fit again)


Casboult will be ok if we play a second tall fwd, he's being swamped by defenders every time we kick long to him....which is pretty much all the time.....


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I agree wholeheartedly. Note when we started winning games this year and kicking alot bigger scores, when we started picking a 2nd key forward.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:51 pm 
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Pros:
Defence held up as much as could be possibly expected
32k crowd was pretty good given today's weather


Cons:
Kreuzer is contributing SFA. Outgunned by Jacobs. I can only hope Kreuz would kick a goal in a game, Sauce got 3 today. Did we really choose Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock over Sauce?
Casboult is a dumb limited footballer who looks totally frustrated
Kerridge justified the Crows decision to trade to us
Walker & Everitt are struggling

Selection panel needs to consider changing things. It's just not working with the same crew.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:57 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Pros:
Defence held up as much as could be possibly expected
32k crowd was pretty good given today's weather


Cons:
Kreuzer is contributing SFA. Outgunned by Jacobs. I can only hope Kreuz would kick a goal in a game, Sauce got 3 today. Did we really choose Kreuz/Hampson/Warnock over Sauce?
Casboult is a dumb limited footballer who looks totally frustrated
Kerridge justified the Crows decision to trade to us
Walker & Everitt are struggling

Selection panel needs to consider changing things. It's just not working with the same crew.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
10 goal flogging no 4 and 1 x 9 goal flogging.
With Swans and eagle and hawks to come could end up losing a 1/3rd of our games by 10 goals plus.
That is Pagan / Malthouse kind of territory


It's almost like we finished as the worst team last year, then didn't magically polish our turd into gold!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:05 pm 
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idle wrote:
Highlight of the day SOSOS kicks his first goal.

Not a lot to be excited about. Armfield had a good patch, Cripps was solid and Wright had a go at it.

Simply outclassed by a much better side. We've got to get better and that's going to take time.

Go Blues!!!!!


Spot on, says a lot that Wright (Adelaide delistee) is one of our better and most consistent player. We are on a 3-4 year journey before we can be considered a decent competitive team.

It's like people forgot how badly our list was managed and coached until 2015. I'm glad the coach and SOS are on the same page and know where we are at. Because some of the supporters here keep forgetting we won the wooden spoon last year. Which doesn't happen by accident.


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sstormin123 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
10 goal flogging no 4 and 1 x 9 goal flogging.
With Swans and eagle and hawks to come could end up losing a 1/3rd of our games by 10 goals plus.
That is Pagan / Malthouse kind of territory


It's almost like we finished as the worst team last year, then didn't magically polish our turd into gold!


And most people, including myself, expected just a couple of wins this year.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:29 pm 
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To be fair, i actually think our defence has done a reasonable job at defending one on one given the ease at times the ball is coming in.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:59 pm 
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It still staggers me that Kreuzer, Phillips and Casboult can combine for 5 marks in an entire match.

Armfield took 8 marks by himself.

I totally agree that the two ruckmen model is not viable for us. It robs us of potential run that we need with our game style.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:03 pm 
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Looking at today's game we all know we lack real talent and the only way
to get it is to draft if that means we trade out players for picks so be it .
So if it is Gibbs , Cripps or who ever it is the longer we leave it the longer
it will take us to have chance of winning another flag I don't want to see
any more of trading for tried player who struggle at other club at our club
all it does is sets us back


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:05 pm 
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Credit to Gibbs for taking on the whole Adelaide team at half time in defence of Levi. Real leadership.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:08 pm 
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WOW wrote:
jim wrote:
Rexy wrote:
jim wrote:
The_Cranium wrote:
what does seem bleedingly oblvious is that we played our best football of the year without Phillips in the team. Kruezer one out ruckman with Levi giving a bit of a chop out works so much better than Levi permanent forward and Kreuzer and Phillips rotating. Choose one or the other and bring in someone with more mobility.

The other thing seems to be that we are constantly outnumbered at the contest. This has to be either fitness or a lack of willingness to get there. You see it time and again.

Finally, we were again reminded of how bad a decision at the draft it was to take Kane Lucas over Daniel Talia. I know it's living in the past, but bloody hell. @#$%&! Wayne Hughes


Glad to see someone can see the bleeding obvious.


I agree with the theory, but would drop Kreuzer and Casboult for Jaksch and Charlie ( when fit again)
The first year guys aren't ready, especially of glandular fever.

Kreuzer is terrific when he plays as the only ruckman, as we've seen this year, and Casboult is way better when he gets a run on the ball. Kreuzer's best is near always when he's either the only ruckman or, by contrast, his worst when he shares. We've seen that a million times now. If you drop a ruckman then Casboult has to play to support the one ruckman anyway. Once Casboult gets his hands on the ball marking around the ground when rucking he's a way better player. Think the first Collingwood game. Kreuzer was terrific, Casboult took 11 marks. 7 contested and kicked 3 goals. It was the same last year too, one of the few things that went any good. Casboult, or anyone else, has zero chance of playing well when he's the only key forward with no support from the rucks, Everitt or Walker. Easy work for the defence. Hence we can't kick a goal to save ourselves, unless Dennis is bombing them from outside 50. Need to go back to when we were winning games.

I'd go with Kreuzer, with ruck support from Casboult and Jaksch in as the other key forward. Eventually McKay, C.Curnow and Jaksch may take over the key position roles but right now we have to make the best of Levi.


Still too many excuses for Kreuzer

Get used to the fact that he is average (like our list)

Work horse at best and is a liability against the good ruck men


Yes yes yes!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:12 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Pros:

Cripps.
Plowman and Rowe.
Armfield's 1st half.
Glimpses from Lamb, Sumner and Phillips. Feel a bit sorry for Sumner and how much defensive running he has to do to cover our forwards who won't or can't run.
SOJ.
Everitt's been horrible recently. Was a little better today.

Cons:

Really struggle on the bigger grounds with our lack of runners.
Feels like a lot of work is being left to a few at the moment. Reckon there might be some more blow outs coming against good opposition.
I'm glad we nursed Walker to 200, and I know there's not a lot available at VFL level, but do we have to keep playing him?
Kerridge's 1st half.



his time is up as is the flowers

thanks for your non services

now !@#$ off


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:31 pm 
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Not sure why people are so angsty, must be because people began to believe we were a finals side after beating Geelong


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