we need 5 new mids 2 A - 3 B as a minimum

thats why gibbs and murphy should be cashed in now for picks

fyi - sos was seriously discussed by Elliot to trade at the time for Matty Richardson from Richmond - the message being - everyone must be put on the table - look at geelong with stevie J for example

Kruezer and Thomas are finished

Yep but back then they would have taken Eccles or Gallagher

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Games are won in the midfield. Ours needs more than a lot of help. Unfortunately may take a few drafts. Need to find midfielders with pace that can break the lines, have some class and great skills. Need to keep this years pick as it is a midfielders draft. Out me midfield is slow, lacks class and has no real run and carry players.

We need package up our players for draft picks. Casboult and Everitt for pick

Kreuzer for pick 30

It would take a miracle or SOS.


And I am aboard the mids train as we all are

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We need to get as many picks as we can come years end.

I've read this draft is the most even as it gets meaning you could get two quality kids for pick 10 and 15
So just say we finish in the bottom 4, we could trade pick 4 pick for both of GWS first round picks 6 and 15 just say.

I'd move Casboult on and so to Everitt.

Another I'd look at is Kruezer. If we can get a mid first rounder for him, I'd do the deal.

This list needs as many picks it can get

TB your asumption is GWS will want to trade picks 6 and 15 for our pick 4 assuming we have pick 4. GWS need points for their academy kids so they may not want pick 4. If the rumour mill is true it is more likely thay will want more picks, to give them the points they need and I can't see us making as many changes as last year. I am expecting around 10 changes. I can't see Casboult being traded unless another key forward who is ready to play comes in. It will expose Mackay too early as the key target. I can envisage Everitt on the table though. What club would trade a first round pick for Kruezer given he failed fitness tests at both the Bulldogs and Collingwood last year?

We would.

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Gone, delist, trade or retire.
Jones, Tutt, Jamison, Whiley, Smith, Everitt, Walker, White, Wood, Dick, Foster and Gowers.
Total of 12. None of these players will take us anywhere.
Play, Jaksch, Rainbow, Boekhorst and Graham too see if they can make it.
First selection always best available.
Kreuzer, Simpson and Thomas to play another few years until the kids come on and still need some experienced players.
Adam Tomlinson as another key defender, probably 3 or 4 rounder, nothing more, maybe a player??
Is Jack Grimes worth a pick or player?? He is 27 only, ex captain, can provide experience down back.
Our forward line will be ok, McKay, SOJ, C.Curnow and Casboult, he just needs more support..
Our back line is ok, Weitering, Plowman, Rowe (another year or 2), Docherty and hopefully Tomlinson.
Our mids/wingman, Cripps, Murphy, Gibbs, Curnow and Kerridge, needs another 5.....
This rebuild will take time.
Keep an eye out for a player called Josh Battle, family friend and he is a serious player...

Sorry ... dumb idea ... you don't give away your best player to speculate. Too easy to get it wrong ... and I reckon it develops a bad culture as well.

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cash in all our chips - murphy gibbbs kruezer - anyone - these guys are leaders of a losing culture

nonsense - it takes courage and smarts to move these guys on - they are leaders of a losing culture

Bolton was a leader of the greatest winning culture in modern football. Listen to the way he talks about these three. He knows what he's on about. There's a reason these three have been chosen as leaders of the club during a rebuild and not shipped off like Henderson was. You must have on field leaders to set the example or our next generation of potential stars will only be learning poor habits and not getting any direction.

Murph has on field leadership.


Gibbs has none.


Kreuz yeah but the body as gone.

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Gibbs offers as much if not more on field leadership than Murphy. Watch who directs everyone around the stoppages, it's always Gibbs giving the instructions. Gets to and influences as many contests around the ground as anyone.

I think it's becoming increasingly clear that Kreuzer and Casboult came back way too early from their injuries this year.

Richmondesque!

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And we're flogging Cripps in the same way, Cripps will be finished by the time he's 24 unless we give him a chop out in the mid field.

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Desperately needs one probably two big bodied inside mids to assist him or he'll be ruined. I can see why Tom Mitchell's name keeps popping up.

Bolton is an employee of the club and has no choice but to deal with the cards that have been presented to him by the Carlton board that said these 3 are untouchable

we are going to find out by years end that nothing changes at Carlton driven by the unchanging Board