65 results for you on BF for mentioning Phillips, as you mostly tell people they're idiots for thinking he wouldn't be picked after about round 3.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Glad you've been busy.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Absolutely agree. In fact I think he is a very good long term prospect/project.

He is athletic, agile, can take a mark, can kick a goal. He's not the worst ruck man going around at AFL level.

He is still relatively young and learning the craft. He needs a good go at. By this time next year he could be dominating some games.

I think he adds some stability.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Got nothing on your forum hopping

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Phillips offered far more in the ruck than Gorringe does. He has a long way to go but he has the tools to become a very good ruckman.
Well worth persevering with.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

And really..
That's all that needs to be said
And yet
Alas....sigh etc

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Is Phillips now deemed internally as the #1 ruck given he took the first bounce against GWS ?

Agree BV a long way to go but a lot to work with given how few games he has played

He's got Champion Data for everybody!!!!

No doubt Phillips is better in the ruck than Gorringe. To be fair to Gorringe though he is better up forward than Phillips has been.
The match committee seem to like 2 rucks and they appear to favour Phillips as the second ruckman. I can see the theory behind doing this, but in a practical sense I haven't seen much evidence that it's helping us win games of footy. I'm also yet to see enough evidence that Gorringe can play the game with the physicality and mental toughness required and I therefore continue to have doubts about him too. For mine a Kreuzer / Casboult combination is still our best setup. Kreuzer plays better when rucking for longer and Casboult seems to like the occasional run on the ball and getting his hands on the ball more often. This is the setup I'd be picking at the moment. Of course, the match committee don't appear to see it this way at all.

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@cecil_anderson

Next week?

Lamb Casboult Wright
Sumner Walker Everitt/White

SOS on the bench. Technically, McKay is available.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Do you think we can keep playing two ruckmen when it seems neither can make an impact up forward and both play better with more time in the ruck?

There needs to be a 2nd ruck option but we need to get more from them.

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I much prefer Casboult as the 2nd ruck with Kreuzer spending the majority of the game there. Don't dislike Philips, I just think the team plays better when Casboult is our 2nd ruck.

Everitt and Philips out for Jaksch and a midfielder is what I'd like to see.

The idea that Kreuzer plays better the longer plays is a myth.

Of course you'd expect someone on the ball, that is playing as a ruck rover after the ruck duel, following the play all over the ground should accumulate more possessions. Have a look at the numbers and they are less than 50% of a ruck rover, so what is he?

The problem is that Kreuzer tries his guts out, but as a human he tires like everyone else. No way does he get 'better' if he isn't rested. He gets tired if not rested. What, does he rest whilst he's on the ball. The numbers suggest that to me.

He runs around following the pack in the hope he will cross the path of an opposition player. The problem with that is that he doesn't cross paths much and in the end isn't a kick behind play to do what a ruckman should do and give his teammates (usually defence) the chop out.

Further to that he doesn't run forward because he's chasing butt, and doesn't present an option forward. When he does play forward he isn't dominant in the craft of marking, but when he does, he misses shots on goal he use to gobble up in his first year of footy, 8 years ago.

The point some make is that Kreuzer/Casboult combo is the answer. So we give Kreuzer a rest...he goes forward and then what? And Casboult, our CHF goes into the crash bang in the ruck, bruised and battered, as should be, then goes back forward and can't jump as high as he'd like and he loses his weapon. Now if Casboult was a FP not a KPF I can understand the combo, so until McKay or Jaksch take the KPF posts Casboult has to be the target for structure.

Kreuzer doesn't get better the longer he rucks, he gets tired, but he definitely doesn't stop trying. We need more than trying if we want to play finals, we need some class in the ruck, and class in the forward line.

Look at Goldstein who rucks 90% game time. The numbers he generates are not the numbers Kreuzer generates.

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Agreed. Let Collingwood play too tall as they did last time.

We won games with 2 rucks against:

Freo (Kreuzer/Philips) and we had Jones and Casboult as KPF marking targets with ruck
Ess (Kreuzer/ Philips) and we had Jones and Casboult as KPF marking targets with ruck
Coll (Kreuzer/ Casboult) and we had Jones and brought in Everitt as KPF marking targets
Port (Kreuzer/ Casboult) and we had Jones and Everitt as KPF marking targets
Geel (Kreuzer/ Gorringe) and we had Casboult and Everitt as KPF marking targets
Bris (Kreuzer/Gorringe) and we had Casboult and Everitt as KPF marking targets

Get the picture?

MC only play Casboult as 2nd ruck when there isn't Philips or Gorringe available to play ruck, but they always have 2 other players playing the important marking target posts.

We lack class with our rucks in the ruck and as forwards.
We lack class with our KPF's, with only Casboult attributed to a weapon in his armoury, his marking.
Our rucks don't kick enough goals.
Our rucks do not take enough marks for their height.

We lack class and speed in the midfield to give our KPF's regular good service ie opportunities to shine.

We are rebuilding and we need a bit of everything, so its all about effort now. The question on Gorringe is his effort in the ruck.
If Gorringe and Philips can develop and improve...we have found something, if not, we need to find something.
Everyone is given an opportunity to show their wares.

Against Collingwood I believe the MC will continue with its policy of 2 rucks and 2 KPF's with rucks as the 3rd tall or resting on the bench.

My bet is Kreuzer/ Philips as the rucks and Casboult/...I wish it was Jaksch, but it will end up as Everitt/White.

We still have to win the midfield battle to win this at the MCG. We know Murphy will not play. Hence a tall has to give way for a fast mid

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Bondi, Casboult played predominantly forward for the games listed as a ruck. We looked far better with that setup IMO but it needs a ruck with endurance for it to work. Kreuzer is far from perfect but is the best option we have right now.

So bondi, Gorringe isn't a poor man's ruck when it suits you, unless it's to talk about whether or not we're playing 2 rucks?

Also:

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Bolton probably has an eye to the future in all this, i.e. not just winning games this season. Whatever happens, it is doubtful that Kruezer will be part of our next Top 4 team and in the worst case, his knee/hip/foot/other injuries may force him out of the game in the next couple of years...
Bolton may be trying to get as much game time into Phillips now either b/c he believes he will become the ruckman we need over time (as many ruckmen take a few years to develop...) or b/c he needs to find out whether he will become the ruckman we need, otherwise, need to find another.

If this is the case, the arguments about whether to play Kruezer and Phillips or just one of them to win more games may be beside the point...