With Bucks its not about talent or effort because he has both in spades, i agree he needs to step it up and really take his game to the next level. I'm hopeful he will

It's like for like Surrey. Speed + effort replaces speed + effort. Ruck replaces 'ruck'.

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Left wing moralists
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They shit me no end

We all know Tutt is a stop gap measure along with a few others in the team.
We need these types at this stage of the rebuild.

Agree. Talent and effort have to translate eventually, that's what he need to deliver on.

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Has Tutt had a run with the new system? Might turn out to be his go.

Here's hoping, but I can't see it

Was hoping to get Whiley in so it'd be the GWS ressies v GWS

Was there any doubt Phillips would get selected?

Brains cells can't be that hard to come by.

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i dunno Cimm, i work for a council, and believe me, brain cells are a rare commodity there

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my last one was rubbish

I think (barring an injury tomorrow) we can nearly pencil in silvagni against Collingwood


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Out: Gorringe (hip)

Not omitted.

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The hip injury occurred when he was bumped out of the team...

Soooooo much cognitive dissonance.

Their ins are enough to make us want to fly home early tomorrow.

We'll soon see if Gorringe tips Phillips out of the team when his "hip" recovers.
I'm tipping the answer is no.

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Settle down, he's not some sort of permanent fixture. He'll come back via the VFL, but I thought he was developing nicely and this is a set back for him.

The goal here is pretty much that: goals. If the Phillips/Kreuzer combo can deliver more to improve scoring margins in our favour, then more power to Phillips, but the body of evidence suggests not, nor does Phillips ruck or contested marking ability.

Gorringe isn't a great ruck or contested mark either, but his ability to take a grab was improving, and his skills mean that he scores more goals, and doesn't disappear when the ball hits the deck.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Settle down?
I know you occasionally see yourself victimised on TC Jim but condescending crap like that is the reason some posters bite at you. I believe Gorringe was gone whether he had an injury or not. You obviously don't.
Neither of us know for sure. Don't be taken aback that I had the temerity to disagree with you. Your views are guesswork, like the rest of us. There's no additional certainty attached to your comments, even though you phrase them like there is. I'm just offering an differing opinion.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I know one thing for sure and that is when Gorringe goes into the ruck we get smashed in clearances.