Byrne Rowe Plowman
Tuohy Weitering Docherty
Thomas Cripps Simpson
Kerridge Jaksch Silvagni
Walker Casboult Sumner

Kruezer Curnow Gibbs

Wright Armfield Lamb Graham

Casboult will have to kick 7 goals for the Blues to have any chance.

Need players with speed. Isolate Casboult. have the courage to play through and across the corridor.

Bring a baseball bat to knock out Mummy, Steve J, and Heath Shaw, then we have some chance.

Pretty sure we won the first 2 or 3 before Phillips was injured, so your argument is irrelevant.
Also just in case you haven't been paying attention, Bolton does like to play a 2nd ruck (Gorringe) and I don't blame him. Kruezer cannot ruck on his own.

Should we 'rest' Kruezer and play Phillips one out against Mummy? We're probably going to lose the hitouts either way, at least Phillips provides a contest in the air. Bring Kreuzer back the following week for Collingwood all rested and ready to go.

Yes

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Phillips is our next generation ruckman. Regardless of team balance I suspect he'll play most weeks when he's fit and available.

I don't mind this idea

Worth thinking about, although it means 2 weeks off for Kreuzer but that might not be a bad thing anyway. Give Gorringe another chance. I cant see us playing Kreuzer Phillips and Casboult in the one team, which means we either go with Kreuzer (or Phillips, but Kreuzer is the incumbent) with limited relief from Casboult with Rowe as the emergency relief ruck if one (or both) of them goes down, or we play Gorringe as either the relief ruck or as CHF when Casboult relieves Kreuzer. The thing about Gorringe is his mobility and endurance means we aren't down in run the way we are if we play both Kreuzer and Phillips. Or, we drop Casboult but we have seen how important he is to our structures.

Overall, and accepting that Gorringe is simply putrid as a tap ruckman, I think he is worth perservering with and wearing the fact that we will be beaten in the ruck when Kreuzer rests (regardless of whether Casboult or Gorringe or indeed Rowe gives him a spell). As long as we get a contest in the taps and set up sensibly to rove to a losing ruck (and not let the opposition run away with it as they please a la Saints) we can cover a little rest for Kreuzer. And after all its not as though Kreuzer's strength is winning the taps anyway, our set-ups have to accommodate losing a fair proportion of taps in any event.

Gorringe is being absolutely flogged in the middle of the ground. How do you think he'll go against Mumford?
He won't sleep this week.

Forget about resting Kruezer. We need 2 ruck men against Mumford. Kruezer and Phillips.
Phillips showed on Saturday he can mark the footy as well as Gorringe and he kicks it just as well. At least he commits his body and he provides some form of contest in the middle of the ground. At the moment, our midfielders aren't even getting a 50/50 chance to win the ball. That should be the minimum expectation for any ruckman.

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I'm not sure if it was the first or second quarter yesterday but when Gorringe replaced Kruezer in the middle St Kilda got 2 quick clearance goals... I found it embarrassing and extremely frustrating that there was zero contest. I'm glad Phillips got through the game and played well, he will be an important in.

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If Sos replaces Walker, would he be played as close to goals as Walker does this year. Seems to be more a roaming forward? If Jachks replaced Gorringe , and he played close to goal, with Caz rucking , that's would be better, it's a better setup?

If Phillips replaces Gorringe, everything changes again.

I don't like to bag players, but Gorringe doesn't like to get hurt it looks like . That's why I said on another thread he reminds me of Hampson, kind of goes to the side to avoid contact . Maybe I'm wrong , but that's what it looks like when he plays . As Rexy said, may need time . But not against Mummy .

Kreuzer's been very capable of rucking for a few years on his own with help from Casboult or Rowe. We did see the Collingwood and Port games and has done so for years in that situation. He plays way better in that situation. No good when he shares the roles. Not sure how anyone has missed that. No coincidence either that Casboult played his best game ever for the club against Collingwood having having a regular run on the ball, taking 11 marks, 7 contested and kicking 3.1. The value in that combination is around the ground, not so much in the ruck contest per se. Much prefer output around the ground than win a few extra tapouts that might or might not go to advantage. Rather than picking a second ruckman I'd rather pick a proper CHF.

The one time Kreuzer and Phillips did any good together was against Essendon*. No good at all before then. Go back through game and post-game threads and you'll see the criticism of Kreuzer and Phillips.

Way better set up.

As Hinkley said last week you want a ruck winning easily or losing easily. It's something in-between that confuses things. You can set-up for a losing ruck.

We should be setting up for a losing ruch every week...

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Yep!

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We must've forgotten to do it against North

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This has to happen...

I just hope the bye (length between matches) doesn't makes how awful we were a distant memory.

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Yeah i'd be up for resting Kreuzer. Replace him with Phillips.

Get rid or Gorringe. Can't say he's impressed me at all. Time to give KJ he's chance.

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