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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:41 pm 
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Probably White, given that when he's not been in the team he's sat out of the VFL as the emergency; not questioning his work rate at all.


That makes no sense at all.

The rest have all run out in some form of footy or have been injured, while White's sat out two games as the emergency.

Couldn't be clearer?

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...also had 0 inside 50s which tells you he was the guy running to give a target.


I too had 0 inside 50s.

Does that mean I was the guy running to give a target?

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You understand what an inside 50 entails, yes? So he was attempting to bypass receiving the ball between the attacking half of the wing and HF, and trying to burn his man off while leading into the 50, which is the best use of his skill set.

Doesn't show up on a standard stat sheet, and if the intended option before him is burned he also gets burned, but some forwards need to empty out the 50 and then offer something coming back the other way.

That or Wayne Carey can never be wrong. Whatever you want to whisper to yourself as the lights dim and you drift off tonight.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
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jimmae wrote:
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Probably White, given that when he's not been in the team he's sat out of the VFL as the emergency; not questioning his work rate at all.


That makes no sense at all.

The rest have all run out in some form of footy or have been injured, while White's sat out two games as the emergency.

Couldn't be clearer?


I think we all know you don't like White jim.

The fact you pick him out as the one guy who doesn't need a break makes us all suspicious it means more than you're letting on.

Just say the bye has come at a good time.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:52 pm 
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As Bolts keeps saying it's about consistency. It's hard for a team to be consistent when we have so many inconsistent individuals. I expect our best players to be consistent in their performance and on the whole they have been. The problem is that we don't have enough of them yet and that is why we are rebuilding. Bolts has done a great job with the cattle he has at his disposal.


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:54 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Probably White, given that when he's not been in the team he's sat out of the VFL as the emergency; not questioning his work rate at all.


That makes no sense at all.

The rest have all run out in some form of footy or have been injured, while White's sat out two games as the emergency.

Couldn't be clearer?


I think we all know you don't like White jim.

The fact you pick him out as the one guy who doesn't need a break makes us all suspicious it means more than you're letting on.

Just say the bye has come at a good time.

I've gone and checked, and there's one other who sat out a game this year: Byrne.

So now it's at least 20. Happy? :P

The rest have all played 12 games of footy in the regular season, subject to injury or suspension.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
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...also had 0 inside 50s which tells you he was the guy running to give a target.


I too had 0 inside 50s.

Does that mean I was the guy running to give a target?

:donk:


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:05 pm 
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He's an asset until we have someone better, and I don't think he was even in the bottom 5 players for the game despite his performance.


Wayne Carey said Everett was the worst player out there. Not questioning your considerable experience and football knowledge Jim. Just putting it out there for consideration.

Carey's said a lot of stupid shit this year, but I can respect that his comment is in the ballpark. I genuinely think White, Walker, Gorringe, Armfield and Lamb played worse.

He'd be in the next bracket, and the bye came at a good time for us, because I think it's safe to say we had at least 21 names out there who are in need of a week off.

Every other team is in the same boat, why are our little princesses particularly special?


Everett is a very vanilla footballer. Just one marking time til Sos, McKay and curnow get some time

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:06 pm 
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Lamb was shitloads better than Everitt too

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
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Everitt was nowhere until the last half of the last quarter. Lamb was significantly better.


Lamb was a solid contributor today.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:19 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Probably White, given that when he's not been in the team he's sat out of the VFL as the emergency; not questioning his work rate at all.


That makes no sense at all.

The rest have all run out in some form of footy or have been injured, while White's sat out two games as the emergency.

Couldn't be clearer?

GWS wrote:
jimmae wrote:
...also had 0 inside 50s which tells you he was the guy running to give a target.


I too had 0 inside 50s.

Does that mean I was the guy running to give a target?

:donk:

You understand what an inside 50 entails, yes? So he was attempting to bypass receiving the ball between the attacking half of the wing and HF, and trying to burn his man off while leading into the 50, which is the best use of his skill set.

Doesn't show up on a standard stat sheet, and if the intended option before him is burned he also gets burned, but some forwards need to empty out the 50 and then offer something coming back the other way.

That or Wayne Carey can never be wrong. Whatever you want to whisper to yourself as the lights dim and you drift off tonight.




sorry jimmae I for one have misunderstood what a selfless individual everitt has been and the sacrifices he makes to the detriment of his own personal game for the greater good of team coherence and prosperity


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:21 pm 
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Everitt was nowhere until the last half of the last quarter. Lamb was significantly better.


Lamb was a solid contributor today.

Gorringe, Everitt, Walker and Lamb were all shit. Coincidentally, they were all forwards. :idea:

Walker made the least effort to other aspects of play, and Lamb made the least attempts to pressure and made no intercepts, and yet we're talking about Everitt's inability to follow team rules before them. :confused:

Why don't we fix the midfield problem by dropping Walker and White for an injection of pace and skill?

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Everitt, like 4 or 5 others, is just a stop gap.


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:22 pm 
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Cripps equalled his season high clearance tally (also 10 in round 1).

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:24 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Cripps equalled his season high clearance tally (also 10 in round 1).

7 centre clearances too, so yeah they did well to win a good tally of clearances despite Kreuzer's bad day, but it was the way in which they were won or lost that was more telling.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:34 pm 
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You need players who can win their own ball. When the team is on top we have a number of players who contribute but when the heat is on, they are liabilities.
Out of our 127 contested possessions, Everett and Gorringe had 1 contested possession between them. Everett 1 and Gorringe 0. In our last loss Everett had 1 contested possession.
You find out more about your players in losses than you do with wins.
Unfortunately we're not good enough to carry blokes who only want to add the cream. Lots of lessons out of todays game.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:47 pm 
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Midfielders anyone?


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:58 pm 
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Gorringe Everett White the worse 3 today but had plenty of mates
Midfielders not enough and not enough quality


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
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london blue wrote:
Midfielders anyone?

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:23 pm 
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You need players who can win their own ball. When the team is on top we have a number of players who contribute but when the heat is on, they are liabilities.
Out of our 127 contested possessions, Everett and Gorringe had 1 contested possession between them. Everett 1 and Gorringe 0. In our last loss Everett had 1 contested possession.
You find out more about your players in losses than you do with wins.
Unfortunately we're not good enough to carry blokes who only want to add the cream. Lots of lessons out of todays game.

Byrne had just 2, shall we call him a liability?

Some stats contextualise others, while some stats need greater context. Here's Champion Data's official definition of a contested possession:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2014/07/09/mi ... important/
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Contested possessions are made up of:
* Hard Ball Get (win disputed ball while physically beating an opponent at ground level)
* Loose Ball Get (win other disputed ball at ground level – ie. right place, right time)
* Contested Knock-on (knocking the ball out of a pack to a teammate’s advantage – Hawthorn do this a lot)
* Gather from Hitout to Advantage (similar to looseball get, but the ball was fed from the ruckman’s tap)
* Free Kicks (excluding those paid off the ball or downfield)
* Contested Marks (all marks where an opponent had a chance to mark or spoil – not including marks on lead)


So unless a tall forward is taking contested marks, getting free kicks, or winning the ball off the deck, they're generally not getting contested possessions.

Gorringe was racking up a few the last few weeks because he was feeding the footy out from stoppages and packs, as well as running like a maniac. I maintain that between his knee injury and the effort levels in his last two games that perhaps shouldn't have played today, if there was a solid replacement option.

As for Everitt, you're right in that he's arguably one of the worst in this stats category that's still regularly scoring goals, but there are two others in the league who stand even further out amongst all forwards (not just tall forwards): Jeff Garlett and Jed Lamb.

Everitt averages 4.1 for the season; Gorringe 4.5. I'd say that's acceptable for blokes who aren't going to take a whole lot of pack marks in their careers, but it's definitely something to improve upon. If they averaged two more a game, they'd have similar averages to most elite forwards.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:24 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
verbs wrote:
Everitt was nowhere until the last half of the last quarter. Lamb was significantly better.


Lamb was a solid contributor today.

Gorringe, Everitt, Walker and Lamb were all shit. Coincidentally, they were all forwards. :idea:

Walker made the least effort to other aspects of play, and Lamb made the least attempts to pressure and made no intercepts, and yet we're talking about Everitt's inability to follow team rules before them. :confused:

Why don't we fix the midfield problem by dropping Walker and White for an injection of pace and skill?


If you think Lamb was shit, the bye can't come quick enough for you!!

And while I'm at it, how f#$%^ dumb were we today not positioning ourselves more on the outside of our opponents at centre bounces.

I just think we were 5% off our game and paid the price

I think it was Agro who made a comment earlier in the week about the 94 qualifying final against Geelong at Waverley. I was there that day. Today was the same attitude.
Winning today would've given us some short term gratification but nothing more. We should've beaten them.
Losing gives all an opportunity to evaluate and reflect with a view to improving practices/structures
etc.
And FFS...can we give Jacksh a go??

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