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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:50 pm 
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Effes wrote:
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Still good long term planning to draft the key position players first then focus on midfielders.

It's good long term planning to get the best players to the club regardless of what position they play. It should be clear by now what kind of magical thinking the club comes up with (in evaluating potential draftees) when they think they need the kids to slot right in to the senior side to plug holes. It's something like 1 success (Cripps) and about 50 failures.


Yes but which recruiting regime are you referring to?


Hughes and Rogers, mainly. I'm not sure if it really matters, the same kind of thinking can happen when you are vulnerable. My point is that if you get the best talent in then they'll make things happen whether they are a perfect fit or not. Just look at those worrying pre-draft about whether Bontempelli was a true midfielder or not. As if that matters now.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:53 pm 
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Common Jimmae enough with the Everrit 2 way running.....he was a liability today and that is now 2 weeks in a row, again!

They're all a bit cooked, but he still managed 3 rebound 50s, also had 0 inside 50s which tells you he was the guy running to give a target.

You cannot dispute the previous month or so prior. When the pressure goes up and the running efforts go up from the opposition, he gets shut down a bit. We've seen time and time again it's not a question of footsteps, and there's clearly an on-going, constructive dialogue about his weaker efforts.

Not sure what more you can ask of him, because it seems you want him to bust his gut and pressure, then get mad when he can't do that like he's a midfielder. I think your expectations are unrealistic, and you need to accept he's somewhere in between that and a key forward in terms of how he plays the game.

He's an asset until we have someone better, and I don't think he was even in the bottom 5 players for the game despite his performance.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:55 pm 
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Common Jimmae enough with the Everrit 2 way running.....he was a liability today and that is now 2 weeks in a row, again!


Everitt was terrible, and is terrible.

That germaphobia thing he has prevents his from wanting to lay contact on an opponant.

I don't really care how many goals he kicks if there is no pressure and tackling.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 4:56 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Our centre clearances are dependent on Cripps and Murphy. 1 is not available at the moment.
We lack structure and any semblance of setup. Curnow got beaten today, Cripps was again double teamed and controlled, while Kruezer embarrassed in the art of tap work.
Our midfield coach, yes I know it's Barker but he has a lot to answer right now.




we have gone from a very good centre clearance team to a dysfunctional and uncompetitive one
kreuzer needs to stop going under the opposition ruckman and start to look and jump to tap the ball at its highest !@#$% point
our midfield is !@#$ deplorable this year and its gone on for far too long


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:00 pm 
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Our centre clearances are dependent on Cripps and Murphy. 1 is not available at the moment.
We lack structure and any semblance of setup. Curnow got beaten today, Cripps was again double teamed and controlled, while Kruezer embarrassed in the art of tap work.
Our midfield coach, yes I know it's Barker but he has a lot to answer right now.




we have gone from a very good centre clearance team to a dysfunctional and uncompetitive one
kreuzer needs to stop going under the opposition ruckman and start to look and jump to tap the ball at its highest !@#$% point
our midfield is !@#$ deplorable this year and its gone on for far too long

It's Barker and the stoppage setups, they're far too simplistic and the repeated use of the same core players only makes it more tactically stale.

As for Kreuzer not leaping as aggressively, is that really a shock considering he had a knee injury?

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:08 pm 
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Common Jimmae enough with the Everrit 2 way running.....he was a liability today and that is now 2 weeks in a row, again!


Everitt was terrible, and is terrible.

That germaphobia thing he has prevents his from wanting to lay contact on an opponant.

I don't really care how many goals he kicks if there is no pressure and tackling.

Well said, not part of the future, in fact not really part of the present. Walker can join him in the twos also.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:09 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
He's an asset until we have someone better, and I don't think he was even in the bottom 5 players for the game despite his performance.


Wayne Carey said Everett was the worst player out there. Not questioning your considerable experience and football knowledge Jim. Just putting it out there for consideration.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:14 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:16 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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He's an asset until we have someone better, and I don't think he was even in the bottom 5 players for the game despite his performance.


Wayne Carey said Everett was the worst player out there. Not questioning your considerable experience and football knowledge Jim. Just putting it out there for consideration.

Carey's said a lot of stupid shit this year, but I can respect that his comment is in the ballpark. I genuinely think White, Walker, Gorringe, Armfield and Lamb played worse.

He'd be in the next bracket, and the bye came at a good time for us, because I think it's safe to say we had at least 21 names out there who are in need of a week off.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:18 pm 
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If we don't start developing Phillips asap we need to find a ruckman pronto to take over from Kreuzer and match it with the best of the comp. Gorringe isn't s ruckman and Wood is at the end. Midfield starts with the ruckman.


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:19 pm 
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Wasn't alone but Everitt was terrible, and after responding to his dropping has now been poor in 3 of the last 4. As usual gave nothing defensively either.

Not in worst 5? Throw a blanket over White, Armfield, Gorringe, Everitt, Kreuzer and Walker. They were all as bad as each other.

Whether it's next week, next month or next year he'll be phased out, but he's not alone and it all can't be done at once.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:21 pm 
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Carey obviously knows the game intimately because he did so well to even notice Everitt. Personally I never saw him until junk time in the last.

I did miss the latter parts of the 3rd quarter whilst trying to put back together a smashed up phone so forgive me if I missed something amazing from him then.


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:24 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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He's an asset until we have someone better, and I don't think he was even in the bottom 5 players for the game despite his performance.


Wayne Carey said Everett was the worst player out there. Not questioning your considerable experience and football knowledge Jim. Just putting it out there for consideration.

Carey's said a lot of stupid shit this year, but I can respect that his comment is in the ballpark. I genuinely think White, Walker, Gorringe, Armfield and Lamb played worse.

He'd be in the next bracket, and the bye came at a good time for us, because I think it's safe to say we had at least 21 names out there who are in need of a week off.


I'm happy to be the sucker to ask who the one who doesn't need a week off is.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:27 pm 
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Everitt was nowhere until the last half of the last quarter. Lamb was significantly better.


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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 5:28 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
I'm happy to be the sucker to ask who the one who doesn't need a week off is.

Probably White, given that when he's not been in the team he's sat out of the VFL as the emergency; not questioning his work rate at all.

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Everitt was nowhere until the last half of the last quarter. Lamb was significantly better.

They were both bad, and Lamb's contribution to attacking play was poorer.

We're talking about which piece of burnt toast needs less scraping here.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
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jimmae wrote:
...also had 0 inside 50s which tells you he was the guy running to give a target.


I too had 0 inside 50s.

Does that mean I was the guy running to give a target?

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Probably White, given that when he's not been in the team he's sat out of the VFL as the emergency; not questioning his work rate at all.


That makes no sense at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Midfield
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...also had 0 inside 50s which tells you he was the guy running to give a target.


I too had 0 inside 50s.

Does that mean I was the guy running to give a target?

:donk:


You've had 24 and it's not even half time yet.

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Midfield gave Weitering a real lesson today...on what happens when the midfield don't run, tackle or spread

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Pafloyul wrote:
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...also had 0 inside 50s which tells you he was the guy running to give a target.


I too had 0 inside 50s.

Does that mean I was the guy running to give a target?

:donk:


You've had 24 and it's not even half time yet.


Second half should be a hoot!

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