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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 9:51 am 
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If those VFL stats are accurate, it'd be nice to reward Graham for working so hard at the lower level.


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:22 am 
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When was that last time we won 4 in arrow?

When Robin Hood was playing FB for Nottingham?


My guess is Robin played for Nottingham Forest and the Sheriff played for Notts County.

The arrow was out of bounds on the full anyway so it wasnt a real win.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:43 am 
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even though walker is slower and far less agile, he's important for the forward line.

he's the 3rd option you need up front. both levi and jones offer a contest and walker can and will beat a man in a one on one marking contest, which you need for our game.

the pies were the first time all year we've played with 3 forwards, and we nearly kicked 100pts. you gotta keep going with that. We really need a crumbing and defensive pressure guy to rove those contests up front.

imo, we need to swap white with jammo, and maybe swap everett out for some more outside run like boek or buckley??


I don't see how Walker gets credit for the team's performance on the weekend.

If Walker plays the same against Port as he did last weekend against Pies, would you keep playing him?

He was ineffective...and didn't contribute to the scoreboard. Jaksch could do that and give us more presence.
Tex didn't chase. He got outrun. He looked lazy and good at telling everyone around him where to go. Seemed to be in preservation mode.
Hope it was cobwebs, but another performance like last week's and that of round 1 and I think its back to the VFL to show something.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:50 am 
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If it were up to me

In: Graham, Boekhorst
Out: Walker, Jamison.

Not writing Walker off but I think he needs to build up some form in the VFL.

Big fan of what Bolton is doing with this group at the moment. We won't be favourites but we're a chance.



I'd take those changes as an improvement.

White was a last minute change because of shin soreness, so I expect White to replace Jammo. That will be a huge improvement because Jammo is well and truly cooked this time.

I agree White at the moment is a better option than Jamison, just not sure three tall defenders is needed while Port are only playing Dixon and Westhoff up there. At the moment I'd prefer a couple of players who can contribute in the middle.


I'm interested in why everyone is so keen to drop Jamison based on his weekend performance. I'll admit he didn't have much impact possession wise but neither did I see him obviously beaten. He seemed to play an average lock-down defender role.

Yes White is probably upside but I don't see anything Jamison did that means he should be dropped.


Jamo or White not a lot of difference, you would expect Jamo's experience to be invaluable but White is versatile, maybe keep Jamo in case Dixon gets on top of Rowe.

The player I am surprised people want back in is Boekhorst, I am yet to be impressed by this guy in any way, he seems a Kane Lucas version 2 to me, I would be surprised if he is with us next year.


Boekhurst??? He was the surprise packet throughout th NAB preseason and for good reason too. He was one of our best and most consistent before he got injured. Some people got their nose out of joint Boeky was sharing a laugh with GC player after the loss to them. He has improved in every area of his game.

Do you want a serious bet whether he will be with us next year, let alone recontracted?
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Jammo isn't sprinting anymore. Have a look at just that alone and I think youll see something is not AFL standard there.
Next, have a look at how he gives away sloppy frees whenever he's about to be beaten. Pathetic and unprofessional not to try and beat your opponent fair and square.
I'm not a fan of White's, but at least he competes and can run.

There's a lot of Carlton supporters let alone TC and BF forum posters who don't rate Jammo anymore. You've noticed that.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:56 am 
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Braithy wrote:
even though walker is slower and far less agile, he's important for the forward line.

he's the 3rd option you need up front. both levi and jones offer a contest and walker can and will beat a man in a one on one marking contest, which you need for our game.

the pies were the first time all year we've played with 3 forwards, and we nearly kicked 100pts. you gotta keep going with that. We really need a crumbing and defensive pressure guy to rove those contests up front.

imo, we need to swap white with jammo, and maybe swap everett out for some more outside run like boek or buckley??


When was the last time Walker beat anybody? What has he done in the two rounds he played this year?
A fit Walker is a good Walker, but playing him because of his 2012 form (50 goasl) or for some games last year where he kicked a few is living in hope and yesteryear.

I'd like to think everyone has to contest to win, and play with passion and form before they are selected to play for Carlton moving forward. Walker hasn't shown anything this year, and surely after an interrupted preseason he is not match fit, and with BB's game plan, there's a lot of running and defensive pressure applied and if youre not fit you will stand out as such: Jammo and Walker fit that bill imo.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:58 am 
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IF Walker is selected to play this weekend then I'll be happy with that as its the MC who decides and has its reasons/ plan for him and the team.

I don't think he's fit enough at this stage, if he aint cooked.

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Plowman is not a KPP, he has filled in admirably in the last 2 weeks being massively undersized since Weitering has been down or if caught on a switch.

Jamo's body is really struggling, but it would be a terrible idea to leave Plowman on Westhoff or Dixon. He's not tall enough and needs to be played to his strengths...where his courage, ability to read the play and rebounding can be maximised.

I think he is a fantastic player but he shouldn't be expected to man the tallest forwards, that's just not who he is


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 1:13 pm 
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Plowman is not a KPP, he has filled in admirably in the last 2 weeks being massively undersized since Weitering has been down or if caught on a switch.

Jamo's body is really struggling, but it would be a terrible idea to leave Plowman on Westhoff or Dixon. He's not tall enough and needs to be played to his strengths...where his courage, ability to read the play and rebounding can be maximised.

I think he is a fantastic player but he shouldn't be expected to man the tallest forwards, that's just not who he is


100% agree re Plowman vs Westoff or Dixon.

Rowe will take Dixon.

Westoff plays more CHF roaming role, so I would hate to have Jammo too far out of goal. He will be exposed. Need someone who can keep up with Westoff.

Who knows? Jaksch maybe but is he ready to take on such a challenge? I'd prefer a fit Jaksch to an unfit Jammo TBH.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:00 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
even though walker is slower and far less agile, he's important for the forward line.

he's the 3rd option you need up front. both levi and jones offer a contest and walker can and will beat a man in a one on one marking contest, which you need for our game.

the pies were the first time all year we've played with 3 forwards, and we nearly kicked 100pts. you gotta keep going with that. We really need a crumbing and defensive pressure guy to rove those contests up front.

imo, we need to swap white with jammo, and maybe swap everett out for some more outside run like boek or buckley??


When was the last time Walker beat anybody? What has he done in the two rounds he played this year?
A fit Walker is a good Walker, but playing him because of his 2012 form (50 goasl) or for some games last year where he kicked a few is living in hope and yesteryear.

I'd like to think everyone has to contest to win, and play with passion and form before they are selected to play for Carlton moving forward. Walker hasn't shown anything this year, and surely after an interrupted preseason he is not match fit, and with BB's game plan, there's a lot of running and defensive pressure applied and if youre not fit you will stand out as such: Jammo and Walker fit that bill imo.


You're being harsh here. He laid 4 tackles; the equal 5th highest number of anyone in our side and the highest number for any player who played predominantly forward. I can remember at least two tackles of his that led to contested ball situations and goals for us. He might be a little off the pace, but he still contributed.


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:02 pm 
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Lots of media love at the moment. Usually this would mean coming out and playing like millionaires in our recent history. Good test for Bolton and Co to keep the focus on the game plan and structure. We may still lose, but lose playing the right footy.


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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:46 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
even though walker is slower and far less agile, he's important for the forward line.

he's the 3rd option you need up front. both levi and jones offer a contest and walker can and will beat a man in a one on one marking contest, which you need for our game.

the pies were the first time all year we've played with 3 forwards, and we nearly kicked 100pts. you gotta keep going with that. We really need a crumbing and defensive pressure guy to rove those contests up front.

imo, we need to swap white with jammo, and maybe swap everett out for some more outside run like boek or buckley??


When was the last time Walker beat anybody? What has he done in the two rounds he played this year?
A fit Walker is a good Walker, but playing him because of his 2012 form (50 goasl) or for some games last year where he kicked a few is living in hope and yesteryear.

I'd like to think everyone has to contest to win, and play with passion and form before they are selected to play for Carlton moving forward. Walker hasn't shown anything this year, and surely after an interrupted preseason he is not match fit, and with BB's game plan, there's a lot of running and defensive pressure applied and if youre not fit you will stand out as such: Jammo and Walker fit that bill imo.


You're being harsh here. He laid 4 tackles; the equal 5th highest number of anyone in our side and the highest number for any player who played predominantly forward. I can remember at least two tackles of his that led to contested ball situations and goals for us. He might be a little off the pace, but he still contributed.


I'm not trying to be harsh him.
I'm disappointed that he was selected when imo he wasn't ready for AFL level.

I can't remember him laying tackles that led to us scoring goals.
I'll look at the game again today. I promised the kids, and will look out for Walker's tackles.

I know Bolton was looking forward to Walker coming into the team for leadership because he bought into Bolton's game plan.
I saw a lot of lazy efforts from Walker and was really disappointed.

He needs to be in tip top shape to compete at this level.

I'm guessing we will get another look at him this weekend, and if he performs by kicking 3-4 goals or 3-4 assists from effort I will be stoked.

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sstormin123 wrote:
Plowman is not a KPP, he has filled in admirably in the last 2 weeks being massively undersized since Weitering has been down or if caught on a switch.

Jamo's body is really struggling, but it would be a terrible idea to leave Plowman on Westhoff or Dixon. He's not tall enough and needs to be played to his strengths...where his courage, ability to read the play and rebounding can be maximised.

I think he is a fantastic player but he shouldn't be expected to man the tallest forwards, that's just not who he is

If we need to play another key defender I would rather see White or KJ in that role at the moment. Maybe even Foster or JGM later in the season. Jamo looks shot to me. He may bounce back (to be fair, he was concussed in round 6 in the VFL but then again I'm not just basing my opinion on 1 game). Unfortunately, I think we need to plan for the probability that he is cooked.

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Sumner may get dropped

love to know why...?


Because he's not playing like Andrew Swallow

Mind you, even if he was, one Swallow doesn't make a Sumner

If you're going to use my stuff, you could at least acknowledge it!
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acknowledge what?????

If you made a similar comment, I can assure you, I didn't read it.

April 18th, Sumner thread but don't worry, I was just having a razz.
I am sure there are plenty of posts that are not as original as we think.

Only Moshe is without blemish in that regard.

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Lots of media love at the moment. Usually this would mean coming out and playing like millionaires in our recent history. Good test for Bolton and Co to keep the focus on the game plan and structure. We may still lose, but lose playing the right footy.


Watch the BB post match interview - he handles this stuff well.

Something like 'as a club where we are we can't afford to get too high and we can't afford to get low.... we know where we're at and it's all about improvement'.

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bondiblue wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
even though walker is slower and far less agile, he's important for the forward line.

he's the 3rd option you need up front. both levi and jones offer a contest and walker can and will beat a man in a one on one marking contest, which you need for our game.

the pies were the first time all year we've played with 3 forwards, and we nearly kicked 100pts. you gotta keep going with that. We really need a crumbing and defensive pressure guy to rove those contests up front.

imo, we need to swap white with jammo, and maybe swap everett out for some more outside run like boek or buckley??


When was the last time Walker beat anybody? What has he done in the two rounds he played this year?
A fit Walker is a good Walker, but playing him because of his 2012 form (50 goasl) or for some games last year where he kicked a few is living in hope and yesteryear.

I'd like to think everyone has to contest to win, and play with passion and form before they are selected to play for Carlton moving forward. Walker hasn't shown anything this year, and surely after an interrupted preseason he is not match fit, and with BB's game plan, there's a lot of running and defensive pressure applied and if youre not fit you will stand out as such: Jammo and Walker fit that bill imo.


You're being harsh here. He laid 4 tackles; the equal 5th highest number of anyone in our side and the highest number for any player who played predominantly forward. I can remember at least two tackles of his that led to contested ball situations and goals for us. He might be a little off the pace, but he still contributed.


I'm not trying to be harsh him.
I'm disappointed that he was selected when imo he wasn't ready for AFL level.

I can't remember him laying tackles that led to us scoring goals.
I'll look at the game again today. I promised the kids, and will look out for Walker's tackles.

I know Bolton was looking forward to Walker coming into the team for leadership because he bought into Bolton's game plan.
I saw a lot of lazy efforts from Walker and was really disappointed.

He needs to be in tip top shape to compete at this level.

I'm guessing we will get another look at him this weekend, and if he performs by kicking 3-4 goals or 3-4 assists from effort I will be stoked.


walker took 2, maybe even 3 marks inside 50, and while the pies defence collapsed around jones and casboult, walker was left one-on-one back goalside. that's a pretty good structure to have once we lock the ball into our front half with our press & zone.

he'll only get better the more he plays. you know, better for the run and all that.

KJ isn't playing overly tough or consistent in the magoos ... i just can't see the MC rewarding KJ at this stage.


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Rexy wrote:
Problem is trusting Carlton ver.2016 to maintain consistency of application week to week.
Will we lapse this week or not...?


And THAT is the question
Port have momentum and we are 'due' for a loss
We beat Port and you have close to definitive proof that our metamorphisis is occurring significantly quicker than anyone would've dared predict
Could be the most telling game of the year as far as how Carlton is perceived by the football world
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I'm not really worried about complacency after 3 wins, it's not like we are flogging sides with a leg in the air, they have all been fairly messy and close, with the pies game the most impressive.

I'm more worried about is not converting our dominance coming back to bite us. We either convert our chances better this week or we lose, I think it's that simple


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A loss doesn't mean complacency.

Even a big loss .

We are a weaker side than we were a month ago and a month ago we were a side at the very beginning of their development .

Still think we will win.

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Their tall forwards will trouble us. Collingwood couldn't take a mark inside 50, Port will and I think we might lose this one. Having said that I'm travelling 3.5 hours to see the game with some mates, I expect a good contest. :)

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