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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:58 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
If you're going to apologise for anything, it should be for calling Carlton supporters stupid, idiots, plebs etc.


Of course...you're right. I shouldn't have lumped everyone into the 80%. Unreserved apology to the 20%.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:13 pm 
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famousblueraincoat wrote:
I suspect next time around we will smack them by a 80 plus.


Not sure we have 80 points in us

We will keep them to zero.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:28 pm 
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Does our inability to translate attacks into scores have something to do with our ability to defend as a team so well this year?

Poor finishing plays a big part part in our our score being so low that is for sure. If shots sailed through for goals would that apply enough scoreboard pressure to open up more scoring opportunities ?
Perhaps a review of our attacking/defense systems is not required until we see a game where our finishing is at least at an AFL average level.

Yup, absolutely to the first part. Once everyone is more composed about transitioning from attack to defence and back again, scoring opportunities will open up.

Right now we have definitely been defensively focussed, including one or two more players dropping back deeper in the zonal defence we have set up. I think our scoring efforts are suffering in part because of that level of extra effort being put in to get the same gains.

We need more counter-attacking options (i.e. match-hardened pace and skill on the wing/HF) for those situations, but we also need less let-downs, like we're seeing with Casboult in particular.

I've got no problem with them building from the back, I just wish they had more reliable set shot options up front.


Was thinking that we don't really allow too many players ahead of the ball to allow easy scores instead preferring to keep numbers behind the ball and in a good shape. As we go forward the team rolls up and maintains a width and shape that covers us if things go wrong. We look great defensively but it is coming at a cost.
We are still getting shots and opportunities but we aren't capitalising. Until we have a game where we do capitalise by nailing chances we really can't judge our attack/defense balance.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:30 pm 
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club29 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
club29 wrote:
Does our inability to translate attacks into scores have something to do with our ability to defend as a team so well this year?

Poor finishing plays a big part part in our our score being so low that is for sure. If shots sailed through for goals would that apply enough scoreboard pressure to open up more scoring opportunities ?
Perhaps a review of our attacking/defense systems is not required until we see a game where our finishing is at least at an AFL average level.

Yup, absolutely to the first part. Once everyone is more composed about transitioning from attack to defence and back again, scoring opportunities will open up.

Right now we have definitely been defensively focussed, including one or two more players dropping back deeper in the zonal defence we have set up. I think our scoring efforts are suffering in part because of that level of extra effort being put in to get the same gains.

We need more counter-attacking options (i.e. match-hardened pace and skill on the wing/HF) for those situations, but we also need less let-downs, like we're seeing with Casboult in particular.

I've got no problem with them building from the back, I just wish they had more reliable set shot options up front.


Was thinking that we don't really allow too many players ahead of the ball to allow easy scores instead preferring to keep numbers behind the ball and in a good shape. As we go forward the team rolls up and maintains a width and shape that covers us if things go wrong. We look great defensively but it is coming at a cost.
We are still getting shots and opportunities but we aren't capitalising. Until we have a game where we do capitalise by nailing chances we really can't judge our attack/defense balance.


Imagine a fwd line comprising: Fevola, Waite, Walker & Betts at their best. We would only need 4 forwards!!


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:23 pm 
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Imagine the club culture if Fevola was still playing for us.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:26 pm 
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At this point in time I'd like a few forwards her were just a 50/50 chance of kicking a set shot for goal.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 4:08 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
If you're going to apologise for anything, it should be for calling Carlton supporters stupid, idiots, plebs etc.


Of course...you're right. I shouldn't have lumped everyone into the 80%. Unreserved apology to the 20%.


Apology accepted.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 5:00 pm 
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Combined rucks had 23 possessions, 7 tackles, 1 goal 1 point and 10 marks of which probably half were contested. Not a bad combination yesterday if you ask me.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 5:05 pm 
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Coaches' votes:

CARLTON v Essendon*
9 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
9 Dale Thomas (Carl)
5 Adam Cooney (Ess)
3 Kade Simpson (Carl)
2 Ed Curnow (Carl)
2 Courtenay Dempsey (Ess)

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 5:45 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Coaches' votes:

CARLTON v Essendon**
9 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
9 Dale Thomas (Carl)
5 Adam Cooney (Ess)
3 Kade Simpson (Carl)
2 Ed Curnow (Carl)
2 Courtenay Dempsey (Ess)


Reckon thats right ...........special mention to the Skipper who battled all day and stepped it up in the crucial last quarter.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 7:38 pm 
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Dempsey? I know he had it a lot, but thought he set us a few times as a result.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:55 pm 
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Dempsey? I know he had it a lot, but thought he set us a few times as a result.

Cut off a lot of attacks

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:16 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
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Dempsey? I know he had it a lot, but thought he set us a few times as a result.

Cut off a lot of attacks


And started more for us.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:31 pm 
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Great to see they've managed to get the Hovercraft going.
Now where to find a nice g-string bikini for Navy Nina??

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 12:54 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Coaches' votes:

CARLTON v Essendon**
9 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
9 Dale Thomas (Carl)
5 Adam Cooney (Ess)
3 Kade Simpson (Carl)
2 Ed Curnow (Carl)
2 Courtenay Dempsey (Ess)



Ouch ... that will hurt the Gibbs haters.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:05 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Effes wrote:
Coaches' votes:

CARLTON v Essendon***
9 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
9 Dale Thomas (Carl)
5 Adam Cooney (Ess)
3 Kade Simpson (Carl)
2 Ed Curnow (Carl)
2 Courtenay Dempsey (Ess)


Reckon thats right ...........special mention to the Skipper who battled all day and stepped it up in the crucial last quarter.


I thought Daisy was a clear BOG but agree Gibbs was second. Surprised Byrne didn't poll. Thought he was fantastic

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:11 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Effes wrote:
Coaches' votes:

CARLTON v Essendon****
9 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
9 Dale Thomas (Carl)
5 Adam Cooney (Ess)
3 Kade Simpson (Carl)
2 Ed Curnow (Carl)
2 Courtenay Dempsey (Ess)


Reckon thats right ...........special mention to the Skipper who battled all day and stepped it up in the crucial last quarter.


I thought Daisy was a clear BOG but agree Gibbs was second. Surprised Byrne didn't poll. Thought he was fantastic


Agree wholeheartedly on Byrne; disagree on Thomas. Got the ball but I think he tries to palm it off in poor situations - disadvantages the receiver.

Still very happy he was running all game and winning the ball though.

Gibbs was fantastic.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:17 pm 
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Army the Wonderkid wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Effes wrote:
Coaches' votes:

CARLTON v Essendon*****
9 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
9 Dale Thomas (Carl)
5 Adam Cooney (Ess)
3 Kade Simpson (Carl)
2 Ed Curnow (Carl)
2 Courtenay Dempsey (Ess)


Reckon thats right ...........special mention to the Skipper who battled all day and stepped it up in the crucial last quarter.


I thought Daisy was a clear BOG but agree Gibbs was second. Surprised Byrne didn't poll. Thought he was fantastic


Agree wholeheartedly on Byrne; disagree on Thomas. Got the ball but I think he tries to palm it off in poor situations - disadvantages the receiver.

Still very happy he was running all game and winning the ball though.

Gibbs was fantastic.

I'll admit I was very hungover and I watched at the G not on TV. I just felt we always looked dangerous when Daisy was involved and he created a lot. I probably missed a lot of Gibbs' best work

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:29 pm 
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Daisy Gibbs
Gibbs Daisy

Great to have them recognised by the footy community and count for something BLUE.

My pick was Thomas but hey, coaches know best. They set the agenda.

If those 2 keep it up, along with the workhorse Cripps, others will follow.

It is a good sign. Always easier to see positives after a win.

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