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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:30 am 
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Forward line was like watching the keystone cops.

What to do Bolts?

Can't help feeling a switched on Everitt gives us a smidgeon more structure. Not that much more mind you.

Always happy to beat the scum, it has been too long b/w victories.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:33 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Forward line was like watching the keystone cops.

What to do Bolts?

Can't help feeling a switched on Everitt gives us a smidgeon more structure. Not that much more mind you.

Always happy to beat the scum, it has been too long b/w victories.

I reckon the 1st half was pretty much due to uncanny blustery winds. Really strong. The winds dropped a fair bit in 2nd half..and that is a truer picture of both teams goal attempts.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:40 am 
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I watched the game with Blue Beatle. We didn't know whether to laugh or cry at the standard of footy on show.

Pros:
First pies I have eaten in two years
Effort all round
Gibbs was shocking early with his disposal efficiency but finished strongly. That's the Gibbs we want to see.
Steady improvement by Phillips. He has kicked two important goals for us in the past two weeks. Better around the ground this week.
Byrne has played three games and looks like a player. If he can stay on the park and keep his learning curve he will be good for us.
Solid games by Murphy, Docherty and a great one by Simmo. How on earth are we ever going to replace him??
Good forward setup. Sorry, I just thought I's slip that in the wrong list to see if anybody reads my posts.
We got killed in effective hitouts but won the clearances, thanks to Murphy, Gibbs and the lesser lights.
They didn't give up. BB and I were both worried they would win if they hit the front. Good guts effort there.

Cons:
Almost anybody else in the country would have beaten us yesterday thanks to the worst exhibition of disposal by hand an foot I can remember for a very ling time.
Kicking for goal. Gibbs, Casboult, Jones, Wright, to name the ones I can remember who missed easy ones. Wright's in particular was ordinary.
Weitering going down. I thought we had lost him for months. Great effort by him that led to the injury and he will apparently be OK next week.
Reverting to kicking backwards too much on the switch. We lose a lot of ground by kicking way too far back instead of going across the ground.

I'll take another scrappy win and hope we get Curnow, Cripps and Weitering up for next week. Someone like 1AW would be handy as well.
A rebuild is a lot easier to take when you hang in for 4 quarters and don't get flogged by 100 points like some other teams.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:41 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Forward line was like watching the keystone cops.

What to do Bolts?

Can't help feeling a switched on Everitt gives us a smidgeon more structure. Not that much more mind you.

Always happy to beat the scum, it has been too long b/w victories.


Doesn't help our injury list is dominated by forwards - Walker, Boek, Curnow & Bucks would be effective. Whilst McKay & SOSOS being injured is delaying their development.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:41 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Good forward setup. Sorry, I just thought I's slip that in the wrong list to see if anybody reads my posts.

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Rod Waddell wrote:
Forward line was like watching the keystone cops.

What to do Bolts?

Can't help feeling a switched on Everitt gives us a smidgeon more structure. Not that much more mind you.

Always happy to beat the scum, it has been too long b/w victories.


Doesn't help our injury list is dominated by forwards - Walker, Boek, Curnow & Bucks would be effective. Whilst McKay & SOSOS being injured is delaying their development.

Also dominated by midfield reinforcements

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:58 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
Forward line was like watching the keystone cops.

What to do Bolts?

Can't help feeling a switched on Everitt gives us a smidgeon more structure. Not that much more mind you.

Always happy to beat the scum, it has been too long b/w victories.



rod as silly as it may sound I don't think Bolton is interested in the perfect structure, personnel or scoring ability right now, sure he wants to win but his long term plan is much more important than little battles right now
what I have gathered is he is trying to weed out who wants to play for the team and who wants to play for himself, that's what and who he will build on going forward
players are given a chance to join the team ethos, build their character and show their desire and hunger but if you don’t you languish in the two’s until you do and you consistently show you have come to the realisation that the team is bigger that individual glory
well I hope this is the case anyway but so far the teams endeavour is unquestionable


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 11:03 am 
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Does our inability to translate attacks into scores have something to do with our ability to defend as a team so well this year?

Poor finishing plays a big part part in our our score being so low that is for sure. If shots sailed through for goals would that apply enough scoreboard pressure to open up more scoring opportunities ?
Perhaps a review of our attacking/defense systems is not required until we see a game where our finishing is at least at an AFL average level.


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We appear to be dragging teams down to our level and beating them with experience.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 11:31 am 
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club29 wrote:
Does our inability to translate attacks into scores have something to do with our ability to defend as a team so well this year?

Poor finishing plays a big part part in our our score being so low that is for sure. If shots sailed through for goals would that apply enough scoreboard pressure to open up more scoring opportunities ?
Perhaps a review of our attacking/defense systems is not required until we see a game where our finishing is at least at an AFL average level.

Yup, absolutely to the first part. Once everyone is more composed about transitioning from attack to defence and back again, scoring opportunities will open up.

Right now we have definitely been defensively focussed, including one or two more players dropping back deeper in the zonal defence we have set up. I think our scoring efforts are suffering in part because of that level of extra effort being put in to get the same gains.

We need more counter-attacking options (i.e. match-hardened pace and skill on the wing/HF) for those situations, but we also need less let-downs, like we're seeing with Casboult in particular.

I've got no problem with them building from the back, I just wish they had more reliable set shot options up front.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 11:34 am 
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Why are you here?

He is trolling.

I'm sure the Mods are monitoring the situation.....[/quote]

It was more inebriation than trolling actually - but trolling nevertheless. Apologies to anyone whose feathers were ruffled. I had hoped to watch the game, but will take heed and only post on football related matters when I see the game (or portion of)....which will probably equate to the next final the club makes (sure to please some I'm sure).


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:01 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
The team doesn't alway execute effectively but at least you can see what they are trying to achieve.

Also, that Bombers come back was as predictable as the sunrise and we withstood it.

Mental toughness is almsost as important as skill.


Spot on cimm, if we aren't mentally tough we can't fight to get the hard ball, can't find the energy to keep going, the skills will come and will come from being mentally tough, people have complained for years that we are soft, with justification, so I'm very happy to see them dig deep and want a win, I'll take shitty scrappy wins over pretty losses any day of the week

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Slice it , dice it , analyse it any way you want ,but a win is a win........Great stuff for mine.............i thought myself there was a little bit of improvement .Players are doing more good things more often.Baby steps i reckon.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:05 pm 
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I suspect next time around we will smack them by a 80 plus.


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Spot on cimm, if we aren't mentally tough we can't fight to get the hard ball, can't find the energy to keep going, the skills will come and will come from being mentally tough, people have complained for years that we are soft, with justification, so I'm very happy to see them dig deep and want a win, I'll take shitty scrappy wins over pretty losses any day of the week



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:53 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Does our inability to translate attacks into scores have something to do with our ability to defend as a team so well this year?

Poor finishing plays a big part part in our our score being so low that is for sure. If shots sailed through for goals would that apply enough scoreboard pressure to open up more scoring opportunities ?
Perhaps a review of our attacking/defense systems is not required until we see a game where our finishing is at least at an AFL average level.



I’m sure it would club, but many factures would play a huge part in our ability to score such as the forward structure and our structured attack (leading, crumbing contested marking), the distance and angle of shots, the goal spread, confidence, fatigue, pressure and so on.

I think Bolton needs them to be mentally strong first before they get ahead of themselves. I know is sounds stupid but we need to go slow and not try and fix everything at once. He seems like a very smart cookie and I believe he is a better teacher than tactician, hopefully I’m wrong and he’s both

we haven’t got the players to be top four so personally I think Bolton is strengthening the knowledge and determination of the ones that will be there or help us get there when the time comes
by building their character and resolve we could be a stronger club for a longer time and then a minimum standard would be set for the future regardless of skill and reputation

well that’s what I’m hoping for by what Bolton has expressed so far


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:01 pm 
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famousblueraincoat wrote:
I suspect next time around we will smack them by a 80 plus.


Not sure we have 80 points in us


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:25 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Does our inability to translate attacks into scores have something to do with our ability to defend as a team so well this year?

Poor finishing plays a big part part in our our score being so low that is for sure. If shots sailed through for goals would that apply enough scoreboard pressure to open up more scoring opportunities ?
Perhaps a review of our attacking/defense systems is not required until we see a game where our finishing is at least at an AFL average level.



I’m sure it would club, but many factures would play a huge part in our ability to score such as the forward structure and our structured attack (leading, crumbing contested marking), the distance and angle of shots, the goal spread, confidence, fatigue, pressure and so on.

I think Bolton needs them to be mentally strong first before they get ahead of themselves. I know is sounds stupid but we need to go slow and not try and fix everything at once. He seems like a very smart cookie and I believe he is a better teacher than tactician, hopefully I’m wrong and he’s both

we haven’t got the players to be top four so personally I think Bolton is strengthening the knowledge and determination of the ones that will be there or help us get there when the time comes
by building their character and resolve we could be a stronger club for a longer time and then a minimum standard would be set for the future regardless of skill and reputation

well that’s what I’m hoping for by what Bolton has expressed so far


Its what I'm hearing too. I'm impressed with the improvement thus far.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:37 pm 
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redback wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
Forward line was like watching the keystone cops.

What to do Bolts?

Can't help feeling a switched on Everitt gives us a smidgeon more structure. Not that much more mind you.

Always happy to beat the scum, it has been too long b/w victories.



rod as silly as it may sound I don't think Bolton is interested in the perfect structure, personnel or scoring ability right now, sure he wants to win but his long term plan is much more important than little battles right now
what I have gathered is he is trying to weed out who wants to play for the team and who wants to play for himself, that's what and who he will build on going forward
players are given a chance to join the team ethos, build their character and show their desire and hunger but if you don’t you languish in the two’s until you do and you consistently show you have come to the realisation that the team is bigger that individual glory
well I hope this is the case anyway but so far the teams endeavour is unquestionable


This would explain the selection decisions more than any other argument I have seen this year. One unquestionable thing you get with Kruezer is effort and commitment. I guess Phillips has also shown he "buys in" to the ethos.


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DocSherrin III wrote:
Apologies to anyone whose feathers were ruffled. I had hoped to watch the game, but will take heed and only post on football related matters when I see the game (or portion of)....which will probably equate to the next final the club makes (sure to please some I'm sure).

If you're going to apologise for anything, it should be for calling Carlton supporters stupid, idiots, plebs etc.

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