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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:34 am 
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Pros:

Won the 2nd half.
For the first time in yonks, we didn't kick more behinds than goals.
Ball movement.
Weitering and Plowman.
I thought Buckley was pretty good.
Charlie Curnow excites me every time I see him. Today it was a terrific contested mark and a couple of his kicks into forward 50.
Byrne showed a bit.
Nice start from Sumner.
Phillips. 2 good games now out of 4.
Thomas.

Cons:

Conceding those goals just before quarter time.
Conceding 3 goals to runners from outside 50.
Casboult's kicking for goal.
Rowe's hands.
Haven't seen much from Murphy the last 3 weeks.
Had a shocking run with the umps.
The channel 7 commentary.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 12:43 am 
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Jimmae tell me again how good casboult is. I'm waiting ??? Tell me again what he offers to out side, I really value your footy knowledge and want to know ...


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:33 am 
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Cool Runnings wrote:
Jimmae tell me again how good casboult is. I'm waiting ??? Tell me again what he offers to out side, I really value your footy knowledge and want to know ...

We looked better when he played more along the lines of a CHF role. He's not at all confident in front of goal right now and his action breaks down even more.

Can ruck, should be rucking more so we don't have to carry two rucks. Not really sure what else you'd call for given a complete lack of key forward targets in the 22.

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Stringer and Boyd for a combined total of 0 goals thanks to Plowman and Weitering. Looking forward to watching that combination in defence over the next decade.

They had Tuohy and Rowe for opponents quite often, that said, Boyd was awful independent of his opponent.

Bont and Stevens ran rampant from midfield, we had no answer to them except to concede frees around goal...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:44 am 
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Was really poor from Roughead leading with the knee that took murphy's head out.

Looked innocuous and accidental but i don't believe it was.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:38 am 
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Was really poor from Roughead leading with the knee that took murphy's head out.

Looked innocuous and accidental but i don't believe it was.


I can't see what you're seeing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:44 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:45 am 
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and you should be at the game right now, are you still in Toronto?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:59 am 
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Yep. Watching 2nd half again. Image

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:01 am 
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Casboult gets no support from the umpires. Say what you like about him, the holding, shepherding and blatent pushing and scragging against him by he opposition is boardering on disgraceful.


This is what happens to key forwards, always has always will. Cas is built like a brick outhouse, deal with it. If players are drawn to him there should be others loose, use them. Stating the bleeding obvious (again), but our delivery in to the forward line is disgraceful, jeez Eddie must be rapt to be at the Cows, err Crows.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:19 am 
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we have too many lumbering, concrete-handed, pea-hearted players with foundational disposal skills. i can't be bothered naming them, but you all know who they are.

Philips, kruezer, casboult & rowe cannot be in the same team ever again. our rucks are so bad, the bulldogs were running with an extra midfielder and keeping their ruck on the bench and just running with a 3rd man up at every stoppage. AND STILL BEATING US.

phillips has the worst hands i've ever seen. i'm pretty sure a potato has better hand-eyes then him. he can't catch and pass. meanwhile kruezer can't get off the ground at stoppages. kruezer is serviceable at boundary throw ins where he doesn't need to get off the ground, he only needs to body up. so based on that kreuz and casboult are probably the better tandem.

bring in jaksch or hopefully walker into the forward line for a little more mobility on the ground.

that would be the absolute starting point moving forward. no more big useless talls taking up the space in the starting 22.


next up swap graham out for a witch's hat and at this point we're still breaking even. armfield can swap him out if he's fitness (it should be, by all reports with his broken arm, he was still training & running down the house).

does anyone know if rainbow has any footspeed? if so give him a run at the expense of any number of our lead-footed, concrete booted – but with gorgeous hair – pea hearts.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:27 am 
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Braithy wrote:
we have too many lumbering, concrete-handed, pea-hearted players with foundational disposal skills. i can't be bothered naming them, but you all know who they are.

Philips, kruezer, casboult & rowe cannot be in the same team ever again. our rucks are so bad, the bulldogs were running with an extra midfielder and keeping their ruck on the bench and just running with a 3rd man up at every stoppage. AND STILL BEATING US.

phillips has the worst hands i've ever seen. i'm pretty sure a potato has better hand-eyes then him. he can't catch and pass. meanwhile kruezer can't get off the ground at stoppages. kruezer is serviceable at boundary throw ins where he doesn't need to get off the ground, he only needs to body up. so based on that kreuz and casboult are probably the better tandem.

bring in jaksch or hopefully walker into the forward line for a little more mobility on the ground.

that would be the absolute starting point moving forward. no more big useless talls taking up the space in the starting 22.


next up swap graham out for a witch's hat and at this point we're still breaking even. armfield can swap him out if he's fitness (it should be, by all reports with his broken arm, he was still training & running down the house).

does anyone know if rainbow has any footspeed? if so give him a run at the expense of any number of our lead-footed, concrete booted – but with gorgeous hair – pea hearts.



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:28 am 
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cortez wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Casboult gets no support from the umpires. Say what you like about him, the holding, shepherding and blatent pushing and scragging against him by he opposition is boardering on disgraceful.


This is what happens to key forwards, always has always will. Cas is built like a brick outhouse, deal with it. If players are drawn to him there should be others loose, use them. Stating the bleeding obvious (again), but our delivery in to the forward line is disgraceful, jeez Eddie must be rapt to be at the Cows, err Crows.

I'd say the opposition would be quietly thrilled for Casboult to have the ball.
Why waste 2 players putting them on Levi when he'll most likely give them the ball anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:10 am 
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defensively i thought we were good except in congestion when we seemed to always stand on one side of a scrimmage and so when they got it out they were well out - particularly in D50. Our tackles do not pin the arms enough. We had 3 (i think?) shocking D50 turnovers. I think we did well in corralling and stopping most of the run through the middle.

We had plenty of ball in the second half but for all his detractors, Casbolt is the only hope of a contested mark and we can't get reward.
we had lots of the play and a bad run with the umpires. 3 less turnovers and a forward who could convert would have beaten a top 6 team. (centre clearances would help)

At the start of the game I would have thought a 6 goal loss would be about where we are up to. Although I HATE losing and am getting depressed....


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:36 am 
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The thing that irked me most is that we've gone into our shells in attack again. Not enough players trying to manipulate the zone, from moving the ball around the arc, not enough willing to have a shot from 50 if the space opens up for them, not enough willing to see the immediate zonal pressure when they have a numbers advantage, prop and demand the ball be passed back to them so they can execute with a little space and time.

I watched four of our players charge into the 50 via the flank, and try and run it through a zone where there were Bulldogs players every 3 or 4 metres, but they never noticed they had no one behind them. One of them could have sat back, and had a good 3-5 seconds to wind up a shot from 50, and while it was a somewhat sharp angle, there were times when this could have been done from less than 20 metres out, as well from regulation angles 45-50 m from goal.

No faith in some of our forwards, but no faith in themselves to have a peg either. If they'd kicked 7.15, I wouldn't say boo, but they had just 14 scoring shots from 44 inside 50s because they were obsessed with creating high-percentage efforts.

If you don't see a solid option, or a means to make an incisive move across the zone, have a @#$%&! go. You can explain that to a coach after the fact if they want to know your thinking; I doubt they'd crack it at you.

FWIW, the Dogs did open up the space at the 50 (albeit sometimes from the counter) and managed 20 scoring shots from 50 entires. I think only one goal and maybe a behind or two was scored from outside 50 between the two sides, so that's a pretty clear cut indication of effective attacking efforts.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:59 am 
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Frees 30-13

6-2 inside 50
17-9 in the midfield
7-2 down back

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:08 am 
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cortez wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Casboult gets no support from the umpires. Say what you like about him, the holding, shepherding and blatent pushing and scragging against him by he opposition is boardering on disgraceful.


This is what happens to key forwards, always has always will. Cas is built like a brick outhouse, deal with it. If players are drawn to him there should be others loose, use them. Stating the bleeding obvious (again), but our delivery in to the forward line is disgraceful, jeez Eddie must be rapt to be at the Cows, err Crows.


I'm not making excuses for Casboult or have to deal with anything.
Casboult is being treated harshly by the umpires compared to other KP forwards - fact right now! Maybe some who are so blinded by disliking the guy so much should deal with it.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:30 am 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Frees 30-13

6-2 inside 50
17-9 in the midfield
7-2 down back

cauliflower

Cripps conceded three and received three, I think there was a general trend where tall players got punished for tackling shorter ones.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:40 am 
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jimmae wrote:
chubbyruss wrote:
Frees 30-13

6-2 inside 50
17-9 in the midfield
7-2 down back

cauliflower

Cripps conceded three and received three, I think there was a general trend where tall players got punished for tackling shorter ones.


Cripps getting frustrated by having to carry the side without any support from more-senior mids
As bad as our fwd line is, our mids at the moment are non existent.
And I50's can be inaccurate stat.
Our mids need to be hitting the scoreboard or manufacturing a scoring opportunity without using the insipid fwds more often
Murphy, Gibbs, Thomas and Graham come to mind

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:45 am 
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Time to try Casboult at CHB and bring in Jaksch and jones to play forward. It's not as if Casboult's playing badly, Beveridge himself thought he was dangerous all night in his presser, but he has the yips kicking at goal. He'll take you plenty of marks and kicks better in general play as compared to goal. If not, bring in Jaksch and Jones and use Casboult in the ruck and rop a ruckman. If he could kick goals from his chances he'd be an asset but the kicking is a liability, hence it's a fine line. A chance to use his assets elsewhere, well away from goal, where he seems to play better with the scrutiny of 2-3 defenders.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:49 am 
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If a team switches play on the HB line and pass the ball through the defensive fifty does it count as an inside 50 for the opposition?

Not saying that has anything to do with last nights stats. I am just curious.


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