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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:05 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
One more stat, pressure acts:

Lamb 8.5 per game, Phillips 11.3, Kreuzer, 16

Take out the Sydney game and it becomes: 10, 13 and 19

This is obviously a small sample size, but this is empirical evidence that Kreuzer is doing more than Phillips, and that we need more impacting forward play than what Lamb has served up so far.

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I stand to be corrected, but has Sumner only played 2 VFL games, one of which he had very limited game time? He's also coming off a disrupted pre season re his foot injury?

Prima facie, you'd think he'd have limited game time tmrw night, unless he is a Walker type with amazing natural endurance who can make an impact with little game time?

Jimmae, BV etc would be very keen to read your thoughts on this.

Three games; two pre-season hitouts. Last week was his first full game.

He had a pretty good impact in three-quarters worth against Port Melbourne in the final trial match, makes a lot of searching leads and links up extremely well: think a modern day equivalent of Lappin, though perhaps not as freakish around goals at present.

With Boekhorst down for the count he's a like-for-like replacement of the role we had him playing last week, and that will free up Boekhorst when he's fit to return.


Which of those games did you actually see Jim?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:28 pm 
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The Port and the Richmond games.

Em, settle down

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:32 pm 
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Has anybody considered Rowe stayed in to have a go up forward?
Or that Jamo was dropped because he didn't have an opponent suitable to his style of play and that Rowe did?

Who knows how these decisions are made? Or why?

Will Sumner really play or is it a ruse?
Perhaps he'll be replaced by Jamo at the last minute.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:00 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Has anybody considered Rowe stayed in to have a go up forward?
Or that Jamo was dropped because he didn't have an opponent suitable to his style of play and that Rowe did?

Who knows how these decisions are made? Or why?


Will Sumner really play or is it a ruse?
Perhaps he'll be replaced by Jamo at the last minute.


Jimmae?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:59 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
I reckon the rebuild started with Barker.

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I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..

Jed Lamb - 2 matches - averages:
12 disposals (8 kicks) @ 62.5% efficiency with 2 clangers, 2.5 marks, 0.5 goals 0.5 behinds, 0 assists, 0.5 tackles, 1 free for, 1.5 inside 50s from 77.5% ToG

Andrew Phillips - 3 matches - averages:
4.3 disposals (2 kicks) @ 76.9% efficiency with 1.7 clangers, 1.3 marks, 0.3 goals 0 behinds, 0 assists, 3 tackles, 0 frees for, 1 inside 50 and 16.7 hitouts from 69.3% ToG

I suppose black holes technically aren't observable directly, hence the trouble some are having. Statistics aren't everything, but eventually you need to touch the football to have a real impact. Bolton isn't punishing form, he's punishing a perception of the past and perhaps the odd critical mistake.

The problem with that is you indirectly reward people who do nothing.


Not punishing form
Whiley, Jamison?
Bokey shirked a few last week and isnt in the team
Phillips is there because Kreuzer is half fit
The problem is depth


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:02 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Has anybody considered Rowe stayed in to have a go up forward?
Or that Jamo was dropped because he didn't have an opponent suitable to his style of play and that Rowe did?

Who knows how these decisions are made? Or why?


Will Sumner really play or is it a ruse?
Perhaps he'll be replaced by Jamo at the last minute.


Jimmae?


Why the question mark ?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:08 pm 
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Why the sass?

Michael Jezz wrote:
Not punishing form
Whiley, Jamison?
Bokey shirked a few last week and isnt in the team
Phillips is there because Kreuzer is half fit
The problem is depth

Boekhorst pinged his hamstring after playing through a corkie and an ankle roll the week before. Minor strain according to Bolts.

Hopefully Kreuze gets closer to 85% game time this week in split duties and Phillips can get the boot within a fortnight.

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Jamison the only emergency not playing VFL.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:13 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
One more stat, pressure acts:

Lamb 8.5 per game, Phillips 11.3, Kreuzer, 16

Take out the Sydney game and it becomes: 10, 13 and 19

This is obviously a small sample size, but this is empirical evidence that Kreuzer is doing more than Phillips, and that we need more impacting forward play than what Lamb has served up so far.


Kreuzer's also over 100 games further into his career.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:52 pm 
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Plowman @ 75% > Jamison > Rowe > White

Both Jamo, White & Rowe have been omitted this year (although Rowe won a reprieve).

Our defensive mainstays of the last few years are on notice.

Times are a changing........l hope.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:24 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
jimmae wrote:
I reckon the rebuild started with Barker.

blueboy23 wrote:
I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..

Jed Lamb - 2 matches - averages:
12 disposals (8 kicks) @ 62.5% efficiency with 2 clangers, 2.5 marks, 0.5 goals 0.5 behinds, 0 assists, 0.5 tackles, 1 free for, 1.5 inside 50s from 77.5% ToG

Andrew Phillips - 3 matches - averages:
4.3 disposals (2 kicks) @ 76.9% efficiency with 1.7 clangers, 1.3 marks, 0.3 goals 0 behinds, 0 assists, 3 tackles, 0 frees for, 1 inside 50 and 16.7 hitouts from 69.3% ToG

I suppose black holes technically aren't observable directly, hence the trouble some are having. Statistics aren't everything, but eventually you need to touch the football to have a real impact. Bolton isn't punishing form, he's punishing a perception of the past and perhaps the odd critical mistake.

The problem with that is you indirectly reward people who do nothing.


Not punishing form
Whiley, Jamison?
Bokey shirked a few last week and isnt in the team
Phillips is there because Kreuzer is half fit
The problem is depth

Yeah!
Drop Depth.
Then delist him.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:51 am 
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It coul get pretty ugly on the scoreboard tonight but getting games into Weitering, Plowman, Byrne, Curnow, Cripps, Graham, Sumner, Lamb, Buckley, Kerridge, Docherty etc is great for the future. And another game working on Bolton's game plan for the whole team as well, it'll click eventually.


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Sin City wrote:
Jamison the only emergency not playing VFL.

A few people watching last night seemed to think Whiley sat out the second half, and possibly Cuningham as well.

Can anyone confirm?

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Have read a few suggestions that Kreuzer is struggling for fitness. Is there any confirmation of this? Maybe Phillips isn't playing because Kreuzer is unfit, but rather because Bolton likes to have 2 ruckmen.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:46 am 
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cecil89 wrote:
Have read a few suggestions that Kreuzer is struggling for fitness. Is there any confirmation of this? Maybe Phillips isn't playing because Kreuzer is unfit, but rather because Bolton likes to have 2 ruckmen.


Kruezer didn't train yesterday with the group, not sure if he like Murph and doesn't train the day before a match.

All emergencies were at training yesterday but only Jamo participated in the full ground drills.


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cecil89 wrote:
Have read a few suggestions that Kreuzer is struggling for fitness. Is there any confirmation of this? Maybe Phillips isn't playing because Kreuzer is unfit, but rather because Bolton likes to have 2 ruckmen.

His game time has been going up by about 5% each week, though in terms of actual minutes and intensity I'm not sure the difference is quite as significant.

In terms of structure, Bolton's been far less patient with other aspects of our shape and execution, so I'm not sure why Phillips is getting a free pass.

I think it's a fitness thing, but it's not like we've got a whole host of inviting forward options to turn to at present. If we did, I think they'd just have Levi pick up the slack and rotate through the bench a bit.

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Sin City wrote:
It coul get pretty ugly on the scoreboard tonight but getting games into Weitering, Plowman, Byrne, Curnow, Cripps, Graham, Sumner, Lamb, Buckley, Kerridge, Docherty etc is great for the future. And another game working on Bolton's game plan for the whole team as well, it'll click eventually.


I'm thinking a loss by under under 10 goals would be a win for us . Ugly is expected


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 11:09 am 
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jimmae wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Have read a few suggestions that Kreuzer is struggling for fitness. Is there any confirmation of this? Maybe Phillips isn't playing because Kreuzer is unfit, but rather because Bolton likes to have 2 ruckmen.

His game time has been going up by about 5% each week, though in terms of actual minutes and intensity I'm not sure the difference is quite as significant.

In terms of structure, Bolton's been far less patient with other aspects of our shape and execution, so I'm not sure why Phillips is getting a free pass.

I think it's a fitness thing, but it's not like we've got a whole host of inviting forward options to turn to at present. If we did, I think they'd just have Levi pick up the slack and rotate through the bench a bit.

In what ways? It feels like our structure and game plan has been consistent throughout the first 3 rounds.

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cecil89 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Have read a few suggestions that Kreuzer is struggling for fitness. Is there any confirmation of this? Maybe Phillips isn't playing because Kreuzer is unfit, but rather because Bolton likes to have 2 ruckmen.

His game time has been going up by about 5% each week, though in terms of actual minutes and intensity I'm not sure the difference is quite as significant.

In terms of structure, Bolton's been far less patient with other aspects of our shape and execution, so I'm not sure why Phillips is getting a free pass.

I think it's a fitness thing, but it's not like we've got a whole host of inviting forward options to turn to at present. If we did, I think they'd just have Levi pick up the slack and rotate through the bench a bit.

In what ways? It feels like our structure and game plan has been consistent throughout the first 3 rounds.

Sorry, that should read 'the execution of our shape', as in he's flicked Buckley, Whiley, Rowe and Jamison pretty ruthlessly at times.

He's got favourites, he's only human in that respect, but Phillips would appear to be a minor blind spot.

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