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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:09 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:26 am 
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Is that around-the-ground rucking in the forward half or playing 'not quite catch the ball' in the forward half?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:28 am 
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Effes wrote:
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So why isn't Kreuzer doing it now then? If he's spending less time in midfield (because he's sharing it with Phillips), he should have more energy to drift forward and take marks and kick goals when in midfield.

I can only think of 4 possible explanations:
He's not in good form.
He's not fit enough.
He's been instructed to play differently (perhaps a kick behind play).
He can't take a mark to save his life.

I don't think he's spending more than 10% of game time up forward right now


So far this season he's spent 36% of his time on ground up forward.


Yes, but apart from that 36%, I don't think he's spent more than 10% of game time up forward.

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Effes wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
So why isn't Kreuzer doing it now then? If he's spending less time in midfield (because he's sharing it with Phillips), he should have more energy to drift forward and take marks and kick goals when in midfield.

I can only think of 4 possible explanations:
He's not in good form.
He's not fit enough.
He's been instructed to play differently (perhaps a kick behind play).
He can't take a mark to save his life.

I don't think he's spending more than 10% of game time up forward right now


So far this season he's spent 36% of his time on ground up forward.

Is that using actual stats via something like his GPS data, or estimating based on the overlap in game time with Phillips like I was doing previously, because that's what it looks like you've done.

If it's the former, please provide the source, because the most time he seems to have spent forward is the Richmond game, and that wasn't anything like that figure (~30 minutes a game)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:31 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Effes wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
So why isn't Kreuzer doing it now then? If he's spending less time in midfield (because he's sharing it with Phillips), he should have more energy to drift forward and take marks and kick goals when in midfield.

I can only think of 4 possible explanations:
He's not in good form.
He's not fit enough.
He's been instructed to play differently (perhaps a kick behind play).
He can't take a mark to save his life.

I don't think he's spending more than 10% of game time up forward right now


So far this season he's spent 36% of his time on ground up forward.


Yes, but apart from that 36%, I don't think he's spent more than 10% of game time up forward.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:34 am 
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Mate, PM me the source if you have to, because I'm not buying the metric.

I would have called it a day at 20-25%, but he barely cast a shadow in the F50 in the Gold Coast game.

Either he was a ghost up there, or the definition of the statistic you're using is fundamentally stupid.

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So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

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Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:43 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.

I'm in good company. Cimm seems like a good bloke, and BV I know, and he at least knows footy, probably better than anyone else on this site.

So yeah, whatevs.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:06 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.

I'm in good company. Cimm seems like a good bloke, and BV I know, and he at least knows footy, probably better than anyone else on this site.

So yeah, whatevs.

I'm shattered, mostly because my jibe at you was by far the most sarcastic

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:38 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.


Mate, PM me the source if you have to, because I'm not buying the metric.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:41 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.


Mate, PM me the source if you have to, because I'm not buying the metric.

Very true, I've not verified my sources on that one

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:07 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.



All threads get derailed from time to time, it's not personal.

Keep the faith, save the life of a cat.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:51 am 
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mikeychook wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.



All threads get derailed from time to time, it's not personal.

Keep the faith, save the life of a cat.

;)

I'm not sure anyone knows when I'm taking the piss any more. I'll have to get winking lessons from AGRO

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jimmae wrote:
mikeychook wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
So how about that match committee strategy everyone?

The thread was doomed from the start because I dared to put my name on it.

I've updated the title to prevent Moshe, BV and Cimm from stroking out, violently swearing in his study and murdering a cat respectively.



All threads get derailed from time to time, it's not personal.

Keep the faith, save the life of a cat.

;)

I'm not sure anyone knows when I'm taking the piss any more. I'll have to get winking lessons from AGRO


S'ok. I got your back, brother. I know you're always takin' the piss.....

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:11 am 
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The back-up: How does your club's second-string ruckman rate?

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Matthew Kreuzer began the season as clearly the Blues’ No.1 ruckman but Andrew Phillips is spending more time in the ruck than the former No.1 draft pick. After such a promising finish to 2015, Kreuzer has struggled to have an impact this season and coach Brendon Bolton has placed plenty of responsibility on the 203cm Phillips, who has a good spring and could be a late developer at 24. Both are not high-possession winners and do not take enough marks around the ground, but they contest strongly at stoppages and are reasonably efficient at ground level. They do not have much effect on the scoreboard, scoring two goals apiece in the five games. Levi Casboult has done little ruckwork this season, concentrating on his key forward role. - Howard Kotton

Average minutes spent in the ruck in 2016
1. Andrew Phillips (62 minutes, five games)
2. Matthew Kreuzer (55 minutes, five games)
3. Levi Casboult (0.5 minutes, five games)

If these minutes are decently tracked, this explains a lot.

Meanwhile:

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The back-up ruck is a very important role at the Eagles. They believe Nic Naitanui is at his best as an impact ruckman and are loathed to use him for more than 80 minutes. So they need a competent ruckman to complement him. The Eagles lost Callum Sinclair to a trade so Scott Lycett was forced to step up. He has rucked well, averaging 15.5 hit-outs in 42 minutes of ruck time, but hasn't impacted forward quite as much as he did in 2014 when he kicked 13 goals in 12 games. The Eagles used Fraser McInnes last week instead of Jonathan Giles when Lycett was out suspended, but at 197cm McInnes is only a stop-gap. Giles is there in case Naitanui goes down or needs a break at some stage during the year. But the Naitanui-Lycett combination leads all comers for hit-outs in the AFL this season and will remain in place provided both players stay healthy. - Alex Malcolm

Average minutes spent in the ruck in 2016
1. Nic Naitanui (79 minutes, five games)
2. Scott Lycett (42 minutes, four games)
3. Fraser McInnes (36 minutes, one game)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:54 pm 
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Our rucks are average at best.
Not a patch on Gawn.
Phillips looking a marginally better mark than Kreuzer though we're splitting hairs


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:16 pm 
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They're both quite inept at this stage. Kreuzer is of particular concern currently


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marciblues wrote:
They're both quite inept at this stage. Kreuzer is of particular concern currently

He's running around like a headless chook.

Needs a CLEAR direction to focus on marking and linking up around the ground.


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