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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:53 pm 
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Army the Wonderkid wrote:
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Surprised Tuohy survived.

yep


Absolute rubbish view you two share.

Afl quality - covering his player and providing options.

Dont think you know what you're talking about.

Sure, GWS, elder statesman of this site, bla bla.... completely wrong on this count.


Whooooossssshhhhh!!!!! :lol:

You might want to read my entire post.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:54 pm 
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Usually in a cabinet.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:00 pm 
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I worry for Jammo he doesn't want the ball anymore. It's sad

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:22 pm 
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choo wrote:
I worry for Jammo he doesn't want the ball anymore. It's sad


Sure you don't have him confused with Rowe? :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:18 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
wow , over rowe?

wow

Rowe may play CHF then?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:37 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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SOS has stacked it on

:lol:

In terms of qualifications you could be forgiven for thinking that SOS is Pitt/Billy Beane and BB is Jonah Hill's character.

SOS and McKay's duties combined (with some of the menial work handed off to subordinates) is probably the closest analogue we have to a GM.

As distinct from a digital?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:21 am 
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I'm surprised with Jamison, Rowe very lucky, can't even mark the ball...
I watched a replay and Rowe dropped 4 easy marks inside 50, costed us 3 goals from it..
Plowman, I thought another game or two for his fitness, good luck.
Everyone can see where we are heading, 8 new players..
CCurrnow is starting to look like a player..
Fair chance we will see, Cuningham and Rainbow soon.
I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..
Our forward line next year with McKay in it will improve..
We have to remember that it's the start of a rebuild, will take time.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:25 am 
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blueboy23 wrote:
I'm surprised with Jamison, Rowe very lucky, can't even mark the ball...
I watched a replay and Rowe dropped 4 easy marks inside 50, costed us 3 goals from it..
Plowman, I thought another game or two for his fitness, good luck.
Everyone can see where we are heading, 8 new players..
CCurrnow is starting to look like a player..
Fair chance we will see, Cuningham and Rainbow soon.
I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..
Our forward line next year with McKay in it will improve..
We have to remember that it's the start of a rebuild, will take time.


Actually not start of our rebuild. Well not according to our magnificent president who stayed to supporters at round 2 last year that it was the start of a 3 year rebuild. We are 1/3 the way through ...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:26 am 
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Hate the Bulldogs. Can't stand them. At least losing to them will be a little easier to stomach with flog Robert Murphy not playing. He'll probably still write a smartarse column about how great it is to beat Carlton though.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:29 am 
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Cool Runnings wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
I'm surprised with Jamison, Rowe very lucky, can't even mark the ball...
I watched a replay and Rowe dropped 4 easy marks inside 50, costed us 3 goals from it..
Plowman, I thought another game or two for his fitness, good luck.
Everyone can see where we are heading, 8 new players..
CCurrnow is starting to look like a player..
Fair chance we will see, Cuningham and Rainbow soon.
I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..
Our forward line next year with McKay in it will improve..
We have to remember that it's the start of a rebuild, will take time.


Actually not start of our rebuild. Well not according to our magnificent president who stayed to supporters at round 2 last year that it was the start of a 3 year rebuild. We are 1/3 the way through ...


The rebuild started at the draft in November last year. Technically the ball got rolling when we arsed out the disaster that was Malthouse, but the actual list overhaul didn't begin until we could start to implement a draft strategy. So we are only three games in, with 63 to go and three more drafts (if you count the one at the end of game 66 as the big finale to our rebuild) and a few contracts that are to conclude in the next year or two.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:57 am 
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verbs wrote:
Cool Runnings wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
I'm surprised with Jamison, Rowe very lucky, can't even mark the ball...
I watched a replay and Rowe dropped 4 easy marks inside 50, costed us 3 goals from it..
Plowman, I thought another game or two for his fitness, good luck.
Everyone can see where we are heading, 8 new players..
CCurrnow is starting to look like a player..
Fair chance we will see, Cuningham and Rainbow soon.
I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..
Our forward line next year with McKay in it will improve..
We have to remember that it's the start of a rebuild, will take time.


Actually not start of our rebuild. Well not according to our magnificent president who stayed to supporters at round 2 last year that it was the start of a 3 year rebuild. We are 1/3 the way through ...


The rebuild started at the draft in November last year. Technically the ball got rolling when we arsed out the disaster that was Malthouse, but the actual list overhaul didn't begin until we could start to implement a draft strategy. So we are only three games in, with 63 to go and three more drafts (if you count the one at the end of game 66 as the big finale to our rebuild) and a few contracts that are to conclude in the next year or two.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:35 am 
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I reckon the rebuild started with Barker.

blueboy23 wrote:
I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..

Jed Lamb - 2 matches - averages:
12 disposals (8 kicks) @ 62.5% efficiency with 2 clangers, 2.5 marks, 0.5 goals 0.5 behinds, 0 assists, 0.5 tackles, 1 free for, 1.5 inside 50s from 77.5% ToG

Andrew Phillips - 3 matches - averages:
4.3 disposals (2 kicks) @ 76.9% efficiency with 1.7 clangers, 1.3 marks, 0.3 goals 0 behinds, 0 assists, 3 tackles, 0 frees for, 1 inside 50 and 16.7 hitouts from 69.3% ToG

I suppose black holes technically aren't observable directly, hence the trouble some are having. Statistics aren't everything, but eventually you need to touch the football to have a real impact. Bolton isn't punishing form, he's punishing a perception of the past and perhaps the odd critical mistake.

The problem with that is you indirectly reward people who do nothing.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:55 am 
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Love inclusion of Plow and Sumner
cant for the life of me understand Rowe instead of Jamo - Rowe does provide the opposition with goals every week - from drop marks and indecision/bad decision -making


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:57 am 
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Lol, but that doesn't include the great Kreuzer?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:14 am 
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Hope we are patient with Plowman and especially Sumner. They will both need time but I am rapt to see them both in the side. Very much 2 of the 3 players that lead us to make the Menzel deal.

Ps. My gut tells me Jamo gets a late call up.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:24 am 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
Lol, but that doesn't include the great Kreuzer?

Kreuzer - 3 games - averages:
9 disposals (4.3 kicks) @ 70.4% efficiency with 2 clangers, 1.3 marks, 0.7 goals 0.3 behinds, 0 assists, 1 free for, 1.7 inside 50s and 21.3 hitouts from 72% game time.

Hell let's ramp it up a notch:

Lamb averages: 249m gained, 2.5 score involvements, 0.5 intercepts and 4 turnovers

Phillips: 41.6m, 2.3 score involvements, 0.7 intercepts, 0.7 turnovers

Kreuzer: 81.3m, 3.3 scoring involvements, 0.3 intercepts, 1.7 turnovers

I don't mind the turnovers from Lamb, because it's a crowded F50 and frankly they might count behinds and rushed behinds in that, but the fact that the rucks are keeping pace with his scoring involvements is a disgrace.

Otherwise, good on him for getting the ball efficiently from HB to HF when he can't crumb the footy in the 50 I guess? Lamb and Phillips are fodder, and hell I don't even mind Lamb being in this week, but our forward line needs a dynamic edge to it, and Phillips or Kreuzer resting up there isn't it.

If Kreuzer can't play more minutes right now, he needs to be rested or put in the VFL on a modified program and we minimise our losses with a better forward and have Phillips play a tap and plod style to work into the match until Kreuzer is ready.

We're seeing the alternative, the core midfield are getting flogged due to a combination of youth, turnovers and fatigue.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:29 am 
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I stand to be corrected, but has Sumner only played 2 VFL games, one of which he had very limited game time? He's also coming off a disrupted pre season re his foot injury?

Prima facie, you'd think he'd have limited game time tmrw night, unless he is a Walker type with amazing natural endurance who can make an impact with little game time?

Jimmae, BV etc would be very keen to read your thoughts on this.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:45 am 
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One more stat, pressure acts:

Lamb 8.5 per game, Phillips 11.3, Kreuzer, 16

Take out the Sydney game and it becomes: 10, 13 and 19

This is obviously a small sample size, but this is empirical evidence that Kreuzer is doing more than Phillips, and that we need more impacting forward play than what Lamb has served up so far.

Blues Clues wrote:
I stand to be corrected, but has Sumner only played 2 VFL games, one of which he had very limited game time? He's also coming off a disrupted pre season re his foot injury?

Prima facie, you'd think he'd have limited game time tmrw night, unless he is a Walker type with amazing natural endurance who can make an impact with little game time?

Jimmae, BV etc would be very keen to read your thoughts on this.

Three games; two pre-season hitouts. Last week was his first full game.

He had a pretty good impact in three-quarters worth against Port Melbourne in the final trial match, makes a lot of searching leads and links up extremely well: think a modern day equivalent of Lappin, though perhaps not as freakish around goals at present.

With Boekhorst down for the count he's a like-for-like replacement of the role we had him playing last week, and that will free up Boekhorst when he's fit to return.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:55 am 
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verbs wrote:
Cool Runnings wrote:
blueboy23 wrote:
I'm surprised with Jamison, Rowe very lucky, can't even mark the ball...
I watched a replay and Rowe dropped 4 easy marks inside 50, costed us 3 goals from it..
Plowman, I thought another game or two for his fitness, good luck.
Everyone can see where we are heading, 8 new players..
CCurrnow is starting to look like a player..
Fair chance we will see, Cuningham and Rainbow soon.
I do like the MC for having the balls to drop players who are out of form, hasn't happened for years..
Our forward line next year with McKay in it will improve..
We have to remember that it's the start of a rebuild, will take time.


Actually not start of our rebuild. Well not according to our magnificent president who stayed to supporters at round 2 last year that it was the start of a 3 year rebuild. We are 1/3 the way through ...


The rebuild started at the draft in November last year. Technically the ball got rolling when we arsed out the disaster that was Malthouse, but the actual list overhaul didn't begin until we could start to implement a draft strategy. So we are only three games in, with 63 to go and three more drafts (if you count the one at the end of game 66 as the big finale to our rebuild) and a few contracts that are to conclude in the next year or two.


So in 64 games we'll win our next premiership? Or we will play finals? Or we will win three games in a row?

What do we get in 64 games that is different to today? Or different to the last 15 years?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:56 am 
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Glad to see Mr Plow get his shot. Sounds as though he's earned it. Coming in for Jamo hints at a changing of the guard, but like the rest I'm amazed that Rowe survived.

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