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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:34 pm 
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Pros:

The effort for 3 quarters.
Weitering. After the pre-season, I thought he was already our 3rd best player (after Cripps and Murphy). I'm almost ready to upgrade him above Murphy.
Charlie Curnow. Going to be an excitement machine.
Docherty and E. Curnow.
Encouraging performance from Whiley.

Cons:

Dysfunctional forward line. Only 5 goals. And can we please kick more goals than behinds ... occasionally?
Casboult's set shot goalkicking. Just kills us.
Our one-paced midfield. Gold Coast are quick and slick. But we're going to spend a lot of time chasing around the opposition, unless we monster them at the stoppages. And far too often, our midfielders pause and backtrack when in space because they don't have the speed to keep moving forward. Doesn't help our dysfunctional forward line.
Reckon we've had a pretty good run with the umps the first 2 weeks. But Steve May and Tom Nicholls got away with a lot of pushing and scragging in the marking contests in our forward line.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:03 pm 
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The Barometer: AFL injury list, selection analysis ahead of Round 4

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INJURIES
Dennis Armfield (hamstring) test
Ciaran Sheehan (hip) 2 weeks
Harry McKay (back) 8 weeks
Jack Silvagni (hamstring) 2 weeks
Andrew Walker (calf) 1 week

ON THE BLOCK: The Blues appeared to get through the loss to Gold Coast unscathed so there is unlikely to be any injury changes. Dale Thomas was the one player who is likely to come under the most scrutiny. The defence had a poor night also, but with the Bulldogs ahead, is this the week to make a statement at selection? They won in the rucks so Andrew Phillips should keep his position backing up Matthew Kreuzer. who was one of the few Blues winners.

ON THE CUSP: Andrew Walker has missed the past two games with calf tightness. The Blues could not take a mark inside 50 so if Walker is fit, surely he gets a look in at half-forward. Jacob Weitering, in just his third game, was the Blues’ best player. Will they swing him forward and see what he can do?

ANDREW HAMILTON’S FORECAST: The one impressive factor about the Blues is their pace. Not just with the ball, but also with their ability to shut down space which troubled the Suns early. One veteran Sun said after the game it was the fastest first half of footy he had ever played in. The Bulldogs play with jets too so that should be a frantic contest. However, the Bulldogs are in another league when it comes to class and it is hard to predict anything other than another belting for the winless Blues.

Interesting reading, though I doubt that injury list is accurate.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:18 pm 
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To get some true perspective on where we are at, the cameras on Saturday night showed O'Meara, Swallow and Miller sitting in the stands for Gold Coast. Last week we got beaten by Sydney who were younger and more inexperienced than us.

There's more pain coming ...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:29 pm 
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Waitering is our first best player

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:43 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
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chelodina wrote:
We saw some great things from Weitering, and some glimpses from Charlie


Tick, move on to next week.


What else are you expecting?


Casboult to learn how to drop a ball onto a foot?


Doesn't get near it enough for it to be a major issue anyway...............often out marked by players 3/4 his size too


Hey, I'm as bitter, twisted and pessimistic as any Carlton supporter out there, but to suggest that Casboult isn't a good contested mark is going too far.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:46 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
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Encouraging performance from Whiley.


Interesting, I find it completely deflating watching him play. Not that he's terrible exactly, just seems such a nothing player to me.

I get frustrated with the dearth of Carlton players who can kick a ball well over 50 metres, or drill it low and accurately. Whiley is just one of the many who make the footy look like a beach ball.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 2:54 pm 
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Too many plodders through the midfield.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:02 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:

Interesting, I find it completely deflating watching him play. Not that he's terrible exactly, just seems such a nothing player to me.


I agree. Every time he got possession I got the feeling that he didn't want the responsibility of having the ball in his hands. He is never creative when he gets a first touch either. Maybe confidence? I don't know but I don't see anything that is AFL standard about him at this point.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:06 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
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Pros:
Encouraging performance from Whiley.


Interesting, I find it completely deflating watching him play. Not that he's terrible exactly, just seems such a nothing player to me.

I get frustrated with the dearth of Carlton players who can kick a ball well over 50 minutes, or drill it low and accurately. Whiley is just one of the many who make the footy look like a beach ball.



Seriously at this point in time I'd take a Player who could kick a ball consistently well for a period of 50 minutes during a game, because we sure as hell don't have too many of them now.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:17 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:
We saw some great things from Weitering, and some glimpses from Charlie


Tick, move on to next week.


What else are you expecting?


Casboult to learn how to drop a ball onto a foot?


Doesn't get near it enough for it to be a major issue anyway...............often out marked by players 3/4 his size too


Hey, I'm as bitter, twisted and pessimistic as any Carlton supporter out there, but to suggest that Casboult isn't a good contested mark is going too far.



All 3.3 marks per game are great

Boekhorst averages 40% more marks this year.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:14 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:
We saw some great things from Weitering, and some glimpses from Charlie


Tick, move on to next week.


What else are you expecting?


Casboult to learn how to drop a ball onto a foot?


Doesn't get near it enough for it to be a major issue anyway...............often out marked by players 3/4 his size too


Hey, I'm as bitter, twisted and pessimistic as any Carlton supporter out there, but to suggest that Casboult isn't a good contested mark is going too far.



All 3.3 marks per game are great

Boekhorst averages 40% more marks this year.


Right, which means BB is better at finding space for uncontested marks. Doesn't mean jack shit about Casboult's ability in the contest, or the number of opposition mofos he pole-axes in the contest.

No offence, but your post makes you sound like someone who judges people by stat sheets alone.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:34 pm 
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Me didn't po lax any
They po laxed each other
He was rubbish!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:09 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:

Doesn't get near it enough for it to be a major issue anyway...............often out marked by players 3/4 his size too


Hey, I'm as bitter, twisted and pessimistic as any Carlton supporter out there, but to suggest that Casboult isn't a good contested mark is going too far.



All 3.3 marks per game are great

Boekhorst averages 40% more marks this year.


Right, which means BB is better at finding space for uncontested marks. Doesn't mean jack shit about Casboult's ability in the contest, or the number of opposition mofos he pole-axes in the contest.

No offence, but your post makes you sound like someone who judges people by stat sheets alone.



Not disagreeing but he doesn't know how to get near it or use his body to be an enforcer. He should have defenders scared.

Probably a moot point anyway, he will be lucky to survive the 2016 cuts


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:21 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
chelodina wrote:
We saw some great things from Weitering, and some glimpses from Charlie


Tick, move on to next week.


What else are you expecting?


Casboult to learn how to drop a ball onto a foot?


Doesn't get near it enough for it to be a major issue anyway...............often out marked by players 3/4 his size too


Hey, I'm as bitter, twisted and pessimistic as any Carlton supporter out there, but to suggest that Casboult isn't a good contested mark is going too far.


No it's not
He's not a consistent contested mark.
He misses more than he takes them
Play him as a follower where he can roam around the ground, go forward, press back etc

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:23 pm 
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TheBluesMuse wrote:
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Interesting, I find it completely deflating watching him play. Not that he's terrible exactly, just seems such a nothing player to me.


I agree. Every time he got possession I got the feeling that he didn't want the responsibility of having the ball in his hands. He is never creative when he gets a first touch either. Maybe confidence? I don't know but I don't see anything that is AFL standard about him at this point.


Give him 20 consecutive games and watch the kid blossom...won't happen though...always made the scapegoat

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:32 pm 
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@Chelodina: If by survive the cuts you mean he could get traded, then I think it's possible. If you mean delisted then there's no way it happens. Casboult will be on an AFL list next year, there's no doubt about that.

At the risk of being 'stats sheet guy' I'll back up GreatEx's point; Casboult has 6 contested marks this season, next best forwards for us are Walker (2), Lamb and Curnow (1). Casboult has 8 marks inside 50m, 5 ahead of anyone else on our list. Without him there's an even larger gaping hole in our forward line.
Fact is we're spread very thin for talent on each line. Cripps (46) is 16 contested possessions ahead of the next best on our list and is the only player with more than 10 clearances this year, and he has 26.
Meanwhile in defence Weitering has 8 contested marks this year and the next best defender is Rowe with 2. We just leave too much to too few.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:46 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
@Chelodina: If by survive the cuts you mean he could get traded, then I think it's possible. If you mean delisted then there's no way it happens. Casboult will be on an AFL list next year, there's no doubt about that.

At the risk of being 'stats sheet guy' I'll back up GreatEx's point; Casboult has 6 contested marks this season, next best forwards for us are Walker (2), Lamb and Curnow (1). Casboult has 8 marks inside 50m, 5 ahead of anyone else on our list. Without him there's an even larger gaping hole in our forward line.
Fact is we're spread very thin for talent on each line. Cripps (46) is 16 contested possessions ahead of the next best on our list and is the only player with more than 10 clearances this year, and he has 26.
Meanwhile in defence Weitering has 8 contested marks this year and the next best defender is Rowe with 2. We just leave too much to too few.



Traded... Sorry should have clarified. We will be loading up with draft picks


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:00 pm 
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Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 19s20 seconds ago

Congrats Carlton's Jacob Weitering on being named the rd3 #NABRisingStar after his 26 possession / nine mark game against the GC Suns.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:20 pm 
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Thank @#$%&! for that

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:27 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Patrick Keane ‏@AFL_PKeane 19s20 seconds ago

Congrats Carlton's Jacob Weitering on being named the rd3 #NABRisingStar after his 26 possession / nine mark game against the GC Suns.



Good chance to win it, even as a defender.


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