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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:43 am 
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so bolton is good, board is baad?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:16 am 
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Bolton is a cypher... The poor guy doesn't stand a chance.
Don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy.. Have no clue what you're talking about

All I know is he was one half of the two people who put him hand up for our job in all of Australia.
He had a fifty percent chance of landing the job. The other fifty percent chance in all of Australia for the coveted Carlton job was Johnny Barker!
There was nobody else who stayed all the way to the end without doing a runner for the job.

Is this what you're asking?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:19 am 
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:lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:02 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Bolton is a cypher... The poor guy doesn't stand a chance.
Don't know if he's a good guy or a bad guy.. Have no clue what you're talking about

All I know is he was one half of the two people who put him hand up for our job in all of Australia.
He had a fifty percent chance of landing the job. The other fifty percent chance in all of Australia for the coveted Carlton job was Johnny Barker!
There was nobody else who stayed all the way to the end without doing a runner for the job.

Is this what you're asking?


Not sure what you are trying to prove with your posting this week Synbad. Seems like you are on a real downer and trying to bring everyone else down is your chosen road map out of your funk.

Loosen up and enjoy the JOURNEY ! You have had a good run with the Blues. 25 years of awesomeness and about the same not so awesome. Good balance don't you think ! Luckier than most.

Chin up.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:23 am 
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Only two people in the country? :lol:

Only two people who made it to the final stage of the interview process, as is normally done in such interview processes...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:25 am 
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Yes all the others in all of the country were who exactly?
Coveted position!
Unbelievable the fall from grace!

Best in Australia

The finest!
That's where this regime has taken us
Then
We don't even have a recruitment guy.
We're waiting for him.
Must be unbelievable!

Lolz

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:32 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:37 am 
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I don't mind Synbad, like all of you I long for the day he is happy about the club, because that day we will truly know that Carlton is great again.

....I just hope that day comes before either he or I are dead....


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:50 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Fine years is patient.. That's how long it takes to turn a list over
Twenty one years of patience is actually somebody that's dead already
Rattens last year we were incredibly crap
His other years we won one elimination final and didn't manage more than three in a row

That's actually hardly a galvanized football club
But it's not rattens fault. He was never ready to be a senior club coach in the afl. He hadn't done an apprenticeship for it and was gifted the job by a crony Carlton board culture.
In the end the players with the typical Carlton crony culture has enough of him. In typical Carlton board culture the board went out to sound out the best coach they could.
Half the board wanted Mick half wanted roos.. The mathiesons including mark wanted Mick the Pratt's wanted the ex swans golden boy roos. Roos rejected all advances and he has been found out equally wanting at Melbourne anyway

Basically crap coaches kill everything.
Both of these coaches were successful till they landed ( only after massive money) at a crap club. Clubs they wouldn't have gone to otherwise!

It's simple!
That Pratt phase was massive to our recovery.. We had the momentum and inertia. The league hadn't yet become anywhere near as professional as it is now....
But we fluffed it with some massive poor choices
-Ratts became senior coach. Totally out of his depth. Was paranoid.. Pointed fingers at players.. Conditioning chief etc
-Sticks because president. Stayed fur seven odd years . the most laughable choice for president in the history of afl. He was unanimously voted in as president each time. Including three times by the current president who speaks about previous admins with a snake I mean scapegoating tone
-Below that swann was drafted in as CEO and kept on rolling his contact over three times or was it four?
-Judd came in and sorted out all of our players giving up hive salary cap space and costing the farm. ( we love our Messiah complex) judd allowed us to take our eyes off the ball.. On the end we killed him too!
-Recruitment and development were poor! List management was totally non existent
- football manager we brought in icke but he couldn't work wetter rattan so he was shot and replaced by the comfortably clueless McKay!
- membership had not been harvested anywhere near what it should have. Hard work was substituted by crappy jingoism.. The whole club was being rotted out by lazy, opulent, misguided self entitlement delusional cronyism.
It didn't make any real inroads into the debt which is still a massive cross the club still bares. And it's blowing out to the point that in afl football terms were now again insolvent.
By rights the afl is supposed to place is into administration which it's hesitant to do for obvious reasons. ( just another afl house rule that isn't really a rule like everything in this sport today) but it can't be far away. The board has been asked to tip in to keep the clubs head above water. Done tipping in more than others of course..
Which is a scary proposition for anybody wanting to come in on a challenge.
They will have to personally fund a massive shortfall and not just mend it.


We're still doing the most laughable things imaginable by any supposedly professional organization.

This thing will not turn around.. As a matter of fact it's going to snowball the other way.. It's already this massive snowball that this board has vomited down our throats.

Three clubs are central to this club.
Elliots
Pratt's
Mathiesons

The more this club slides the more it stays on the control of these three.. They don't always work together but they're the holders of the clubs power base.
Others are drafted in or out.

They have shored up their interests over the years to the exclusion of outsiders beautifully.
They have given much more thought in making sure power can't be vested into anybody else than turning the club around.
The money they have paid on the drip has been the debt many times over and yet they won't pay that money in one hit and wipe off five.
They won't do that because they know if the club is financially out of the woods they're unsafe.

In the meantime the club keeps slipping into oblivion which it can never truly recover from


pretty much agree with this

my understanding pratts wanted mick and the mathiesons wanted roos
for this club to move forward elliots, pratts and mathiesons must all leave any connection to the board
they have both had a fair suck of the sausebottle and have all failed
the fact that visy are now sponsoring the womens team will entrench their positon
did anyone see the 2015 annual report page 7

7. Future Developments
Disclosure of information regarding likely developments in the operations of the Club in future financial years and the
expected results of those operations is likely to result in unreasonable prejudice to the Club. Accordingly, this
information has not been disclosed in this Report.


this has been swept under the carpet in the sense that it hasnt been spoken about

what does mean? are we insolvent?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:58 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Only two people in the country? :lol:

Only two people who made it to the final stage of the interview process, as is normally done in such interview processes...


why did worsfold knock it back then go running to Essendon*

coaches and everyone talks about carlton


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:01 pm 
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It means they don't talk about future plans... like redevelopments, new acquisitions, a women's team, etc. It's common sense.

Mosquito Fleet wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Only two people in the country? :lol:

Only two people who made it to the final stage of the interview process, as is normally done in such interview processes...


why did worsfold knock it back then go running to Essendon**

coaches and everyone talks about carlton

Because that's his prerogative?

Not every coach wants every coaching job. We had something like a dozen applicants, and it sounds like the odd one may have turned their nose up at the contract terms. Doesn't look like it stopped us from getting a good coach though, does it?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:37 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
It means they don't talk about future plans... like redevelopments, new acquisitions, a women's team, etc. It's common sense.

Mosquito Fleet wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Only two people in the country? :lol:

Only two people who made it to the final stage of the interview process, as is normally done in such interview processes...


why did worsfold knock it back then go running to Essendon***

coaches and everyone talks about carlton

Because that's his prerogative?

Not every coach wants every coaching job. We had something like a dozen applicants, and it sounds like the odd one may have turned their nose up at the contract terms. Doesn't look like it stopped us from getting a good coach though, does it?


i am happy with the appointment - whether he is a good coach remains to be seen - seems we put him on staff as we have no money because of an incompetent board


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:29 pm 
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What does the board's competence (or lack thereof) have to do with whether our coach is on staff or on a contract? At the end of the day, we offered him an amount of money and he accepted it. If naything, having him on staff is a better outcome for us than otherwise - remember how we had to continue with Malthouse (and then pay him out) despite him clearly being the wrong man for the job and then openly antagonising the club's powerbrokers...? Well this couldn't happen with Bolts on staff (if Bolts indeed was that kind of pr1ck, which he's absolutely *not*).

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:57 pm 
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Many coaches were not interested in the job.
Only two saw it all the way
Bolton and Barker



That basically says what we are.
Most people in the afl have no respect for our organization.


Are you saying we're a highly coveted club these days and afl people with options all being equal would choose us?
You have to be joking right?

That's the regime fingerprint on this club

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:23 pm 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
jimmae wrote:
It means they don't talk about future plans... like redevelopments, new acquisitions, a women's team, etc. It's common sense.

Mosquito Fleet wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Only two people in the country? :lol:

Only two people who made it to the final stage of the interview process, as is normally done in such interview processes...


why did worsfold knock it back then go running to Essendon****

coaches and everyone talks about carlton

Because that's his prerogative?

Not every coach wants every coaching job. We had something like a dozen applicants, and it sounds like the odd one may have turned their nose up at the contract terms. Doesn't look like it stopped us from getting a good coach though, does it?


i am happy with the appointment - whether he is a good coach remains to be seen - seems we put him on staff as we have no money because of an incompetent board


But you told us last year that MLG was the man and that people who don't get behind him weren't real Carlton people.

What's changed Mozz?

No love at the AGM for widdle Mozz ?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:12 pm 
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Women's league? Let's see how that translates into the future for us.
I wonder if we're even going to break even on that.
Women either going to like afl football or they don't. Their not going to come across to follow us because we're putting up a football team for the women's league.
Actually can't imagine it breaking even for our investment.
I haven't really looked to deeply in this because I really don't give too much of a stuff either way. Love to know what were actually expecting from this and how it's going to be funded etc..

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:14 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:

But you told us last year that MLG was the man and that people who don't get behind him weren't real Carlton people.

What's changed Mozz?

No love at the AGM for widdle Mozz ?


yes at the time I thought MLG was good - because he was better than sticks by light years

now that MLG has made some off field changes, MLG (and the other 7 directors) wont get us to the place we want to be for the reasons discussed above


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:17 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Women's league? Let's see how that translates into the future for us.
I wonder if we're even going to break even on that.
Women either going to like afl football or they don't. Their not going to come across to follow us because we're putting up a football team for the women's league.
Actually can't imagine it breaking even for our investment.
I haven't really looked to deeply in this because I really don't give too much of a stuff either way. Love to know what were actually expecting from this and how it's going to be funded etc..


correct ...this womens league thing is just pure window dressing to disguise the symptoms that we have

i have said before, we will attract women members and more men members (that is- members) when we stick to core business and win premierships

i doubt we will get the tick from the afl for a womens team because we have a 6.4 mill debt and 3 financial losses in the last 4 years combined with the 4 wooden spoons in 13 years.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:32 pm 
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Participation rates for women are booming and we have the lowest female membership in the comp.

Wonder how long before Kate Jenkins starts to get attacked?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:49 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Women's league? Let's see how that translates into the future for us.
I wonder if we're even going to break even on that.
Women either going to like afl football or they don't. Their not going to come across to follow us because we're putting up a football team for the women's league.
Actually can't imagine it breaking even for our investment.
I haven't really looked to deeply in this because I really don't give too much of a stuff either way. Love to know what were actually expecting from this and how it's going to be funded etc..


To summarise.

"I don't know anything about women's football"

Keep posting quality.

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