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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:28 am 
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Henderson was never a good forward Bondi.


Never say never.

When forwards have good supply....

Imagine:

HF: Yarran Casboult Walker

FF Henderson Waite Betts

As the 3rd tall Hendo would be most dangerous.
He kicked a few bags.

Each to their own. I liked Hendo when he was fit and in form.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:37 am 
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Its a hard road back, but Bolton seems clear and committed to his plan for success, so is SOS despite the board's failures.


Thing is - the club isn't on the road yet. It has to find the road first. Once it finds the road - it can find its way back. The board hired Bolton in the hope he could find the Hawthorn path. Once the Hawthorn path is found, that should lead the club to the road. There's no timeline on when Bolton finds the Hawthorn path - but he has been on it before and has a GPS at his disposal. The last few years the club was relying on a Melways from 1999 that they found partially submerged at Dight's Falls. Although damaged, it wasn't missing any pages, but the club never learned how to use it and continually found itself lost. While Bolton's GPS is in good working order - it has no manual and was once the property of the Tasmanian Department of Education.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:42 am 
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Henderson = McKay, a significant piece in our rebuild puzzle. If you keep Henderson your rebuild doesn't look as strong.
Waite would be handy, but given the state of our list and the nature of our rebuild I was pleased the club wouldn't offer him the 2 year deal he was demanding.
In hindsight maybe you give into his demands. Maybe you tolerate Robinson and Garlett and see if a new coach can bring out the best in them. Maybe you work your salary cap differently and offer bigger coin to Betts (although he might have still left anyway). Personally, I think in isolation each of the decisions made by the club can be justified, unfortunately cumulatively those decisions have left our forward half thin on talent.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:45 am 
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cecil89 wrote:
Henderson = McKay, a significant piece in our rebuild puzzle. If you keep Henderson your rebuild doesn't look as strong.
Waite would be handy, but given the state of our list and the nature of our rebuild I was pleased the club wouldn't offer him the 2 year deal he was demanding.
In hindsight maybe you give into his demands. Maybe you tolerate Robinson and Garlett and see if a new coach can bring out the best in them. Maybe you work your salary cap differently and offer bigger coin to Betts (although he might have still left anyway). Personally, I think in isolation each of the decisions made by the club can be justified, unfortunately cumulatively those decisions have left our forward half thin on talent.


i think we offered the same deal as north - it was 1 yr with a 1yr extension subject to conditions?
betts was 50K that the Board said no - he was apparantly crying when he was packing his locker from my mail
robbo garlett was a lack of player club management - andrew mckay imo


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:50 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Henderson = McKay, a significant piece in our rebuild puzzle. If you keep Henderson your rebuild doesn't look as strong.
Waite would be handy, but given the state of our list and the nature of our rebuild I was pleased the club wouldn't offer him the 2 year deal he was demanding.
In hindsight maybe you give into his demands. Maybe you tolerate Robinson and Garlett and see if a new coach can bring out the best in them. Maybe you work your salary cap differently and offer bigger coin to Betts (although he might have still left anyway). Personally, I think in isolation each of the decisions made by the club can be justified, unfortunately cumulatively those decisions have left our forward half thin on talent.


i think we offered the same deal as north - it was 1 yr with a 1yr extension subject to conditions?

You could be right. My understanding was it was a 1 year deal. Possibly with clauses for an extension, but far more difficult to trigger than the North Melbourne contract.
Either way, I think playing hard ball with a 32 year old injury prone forward is a wise decision.
He also wouldn't have the same impact in our team as he is having with North Melbourne at the moment. Different teams at different stages of development.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:51 am 
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McKay is only good if he's good
If he's not going to be good he's not going to be good
Henderson was very good when he was up and running...

Time will unravel all in time

I use context as my guide though

For McKay to be good he's going to need to be a contested beast in the air!
No point having a 202cm flanker type

What you're looking for is the Harry Taylor ,westhoff , roughy type tall!
Can take a mark kick a goal then motor on through the midfield to add numbers before falling across half back and chopping off the opposition going forward

Veitering and curnow I'm confident can do that in the future

Henderson could also.. But he lost his way.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:53 am 
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Hence the restructuring that's been happening...

We've always been restructuring what's your point?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:44 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:

We gave up pick 28 for plowman sumner lamb and philips. Infact what we really gave up was Menzel for kerridge and the above four. Do all the permutations you like we wont lose this trade. I am betting a win


Correct. We already win with Kerridge for Menzel. Plowman and Sumner will be bonuses.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:45 pm 
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Synbad wrote:

Veitering and curnow I'm confident can do that in the future



Oh good. So we drafted well this year then Synners?

...unlike that year we got that slow, fat hack by the name of Cripps. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:20 pm 
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But you lost players and got players
Going forward you're going to gain players and lose players
Some years will be total bursts or part busts
It's not about losing blokes and replacing blokes
You need to build not replace


What do you think this is " the Iroquois mourning wars'?

Funny

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:28 pm 
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i'm missing the link where all of a sudden people think carlton will develop drafted players into guns.

we couldn't turn gun juniors like murphy, kruez and gibbs into senior guns. we've never drafted a bubble player and have him turn into anything great (like what geelong, hawks etc do regularly).

so bolton is here and lets out all the right sound bytes. we're back to playing attractive & effective footy for a few minutes per game here and there and this seems to fuel much hope among our supporter base. i'm still suspicious cfc as a club has no idea how to develop kids or implement a win at all costs culture.

we've had a batch of promising kids come through our doors before and we never, ever won a game of significance with them. I'm not positive but i'm pretty sure we never even won 4 games on the bounce with them. ever.

we lost the unlosable game to richmond, a team who were thumped by the pies vfl side the week after ... i wonder how many more losses pile up before these kids choc full of potential start to deflate like the ones before them did?


... but we have navy nina, so it's not like we can't smell what they're cooking.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:42 pm 
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I don't quite get this "we've been crap for 15 years" mantra; maybe it's because I am somewhat insulated from the madness up here in Sydney but back around 2009-11 (or whenever Ratten's team hit its peak) we were playing exciting, attacking football and frequently turned over big deficits (especially against the Tiges, oh yes indeed!) because we were unstoppable when on song. Okay so we didn't go that extra step, but when we started Ratten's last season with three straight wins, how many of you can honestly say you came on here and said "the wheels will come off because of our toxic club culture (not an insane injury list), just you watch!" When Mick was brought in to polish off the premiership picture, many of us may have doubted we were actually capable of lifting the cup but how many of you said "well ACTUALLY, our playing list is the worst in the AFL so prepare yourself for some spoonage!"

It's been frustrating, but let's not go all revisionist and pretend it's been all doom and gloom.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:49 pm 
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Honestly I said it
And they did
It all started with something as innocuous as a tackle on carrazzo which ended up injuring him.. And the whole club went fell off the cliff..

The fact that it was only that and the club fell off the cliff days it all really.

The whole thing was built on sand...

Which as warned at the time it was..

Panic set it.. Fingers were being pointed! Remember Cordy? He's considered a magician today

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:53 pm 
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I'm also predicting Richmond to be flushed down the dunny

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:09 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
But you lost players and got players
Going forward you're going to gain players and lose players
Some years will be total bursts or part busts
It's not about losing blokes and replacing blokes
You need to build not replace


What do you think this is " the Iroquois mourning wars'?

Funny


It is undeniable Cripps is a gun (despite your comments on him early), you've admitted that Weitering and Curnow will be good. Boekhurst is showing a lot under the new coaches and with the new game plan. Jury's out on McKay but early signs are very encouraging.

So on the whole, our last few years have been decent wouldn't you say? Or no. Just focus on that question and then you can go back to your musings on the Iroquois if that brings you joy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:20 pm 
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Each to their own. I liked Hendo when he was fit and in form.

Me too; in defence.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:21 pm 
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Robbie you always fire blanks lots of them
You're a virtual Tommy gun

Give us something to make us think Robbie.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:24 pm 
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This is all a bit much for you isn't it Synners? You're in over your head aren't you?

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Yes I'm over your head.. Loll

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