Match Committee Strategy Discussion 2016

bondiblue · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:59 pm

Oh yeah and Casboult either gets supply and kicks bad or he doesn't get much supply when he's on song.
Maybe 2 goals per game is his ceiling.
If so, he should be rucking more.

chelodina · **Joined:** Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:43 pm **Posts:** 1323

jimmae wrote:

Synbad wrote:

So josh Frazer is ruck coach and sos head recruiter
So why do we have a ruck coach and waiting on our recruiter?

The role according to you is undefined Jim!

Good lord you've completely misunderstood what I said, not to mention this has absolutely nothing to do with anything this thread was created for.

Capuano and Fraser are both development coaches, part time and full time respectively. They're both ex-AFL rucks, I'm sure Capuano and Fraser work with the rucks, and I'm sure Fraser also works with the tall forwards, as well as the entire academy system we're installing, not to mention being the VFL coach.

I think we're in good hands.

If you want to talk more about coaches, can you please @#$%&! off to this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34977&start=1020

Thanks.

Good call, Synbad is just baiting you and being a "No 31" as usual

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:02 pm

bondiblue wrote:

Oh yeah and Casboult either gets supply and kicks bad or he doesn't get much supply when he's on song.
Maybe 2 goals per game is his ceiling.
If so, he should be rucking more.

How many goals would he kick then?

jimmae · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:03 pm

bondiblue wrote:

Short term implies?

The first half of the season; Everitt's obviously not out of the 22 either, my bad there

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:03 pm

Everything has everything to do with everything
Unless you're isolating the situation were in
Every aspect of this club has a butterfly effect
Phillips has been brought in as a secondary ruckman but can't ruck just like our first ruckman can't ruck like all of our rucks haven't been able to.
But this is about match committee strategy right?
So give us your match committee strategy

Kreuzer who's being demolished and casboult who isn't a ruckman to ruck because we can't address the ruck fundamentals?
Give me a break loll

Number one you need rucks who can ruck.
If you don't have them you're setting the team up for hidings.

1)Now you can ignore this.. And continue to put your head in the sand
2) can improve what you have the best you can
3) go find a ruckman in the transfer window from day south America

Which do you think the match committee should be doing to bring structure and balance to this struggling outfit?

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:09 pm

This is not a kiddies game where we can put on our match committee hats without addressing whatever fundamentals that need to be addressed.
This is not a problem that can be remedied in isolation by the match committee
Loll
Ridiculous..

There's a lot of work to be done to get guys that are clearly out of match day mode into approaching match day mode.
There's nothing wrong with Phillips except he can't ruck. But he has all the tools.
All what are we doing about getting him into sync so he's important to our match day program

We tried to do things that Bolton wants them to do. They haven't been able to do these things.
It started from the ruck and flowed from there.
Kreuzer and casboult won't fix the ruck problem.
Casboult can't even play his designated role. The one he's played all his life.
How's he going to help K when K is struggling physically?

grrofunger · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:24 pm

If i could be bothered (or was anally retarded and bookmarked everyones posts for future reference) i would search and i am sure i would find posts from you saying ruckmen were overrated and the position wasn't that important.

I am sure i have read that from you before.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:34 pm

That's why I think a guy like Phillips can be taught
The swans bloke was a rugby player in Canada
Everybody goes past capuanos heroes.

Our guys are not even competitive .
Did you see it ? Wow oh wee! Those swans no names took our boys to the cleaners not only in the ruck

But that position is also a player on the ground we don't have special teams here in the afl.

But they're completely getting outclassed in the ruck.
Kreuzer isn't even one hundred percent fit.
And they're dropping their bundle doing the around the ground stuff...
Because that's what happens when you're not fulfilling your primary role.
Your secondary role will suffer too

Both of these guys know theyre in the team as rucks not utilities.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:35 pm

I'm not concerned if they're competitive

Scotty12000 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:41 pm

I dunno about ceilings or what our rucks can learn or what they can't but I've never, NEVER rated Capuano. Of all the coaches I feel he's the one who's been very lucky continually to survive the axe, and may be one to look at come season's end.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:58 pm

Well none of our rucks whilst he's been there have ever shown much.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:26 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

Oh yeah and Casboult either gets supply and kicks bad or he doesn't get much supply when he's on song.
Maybe 2 goals per game is his ceiling.
If so, he should be rucking more.

How many goals would he kick then?

Good question. :grin:

My guess is somewhere between 0-2...because he can get the ball and kick it to himself just where and how he wants it in the forwardline and have a shot.

I'm actually thinking I prefer Casboult in the ruck than Kreuzer because he can mark around the ground and add value. I've gone off Kruezer. He did look good in the NAB 1 game but that's it.

jimmae · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2016 2:02 pm

The stats files: The big men are resting, but not where you think

Quote:

EVEN by his lofty standards, Todd Goldstein's five-goal haul against Melbourne was a remarkable performance, especially considering the North Melbourne star played only 1 per cent of his total game time in attack.

Although it was a special feat unlikely to be repeated by a full-time ruckman again this season, if the early rounds are a guide we can expect to see ruckmen kicking more goals, more often.

But go back to the pre-season commentary and you'll see things weren’t supposed to happen this way.

The popular pre-season narrative when the cap on interchange rotations was slashed from 120 to 90 was that the League's big men would have to spend more time resting forward to get a breather.

Even the players themselves believed it.

...

However, stats reveal a different trend three rounds into the season.

Rather than resting forward, ruckmen are actually spending more time on the bench and more game-time in their primary roles – as ruckmen.

Across the competition, the League's big men have played 81 per cent of their game time in the middle, a 5 per cent boost from last season.

And it seems Goldstein – who plays almost exclusively in the ruck – has been ahead of the curve, with his peers playing catch-up.

Kreuzer is born for that role; why the hell are we persisting with Phillips?

Michael Jezz · **Joined:** Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:52 pm **Posts:** 2044

jimmae wrote:

The stats files: The big men are resting, but not where you think

Quote:

EVEN by his lofty standards, Todd Goldstein's five-goal haul against Melbourne was a remarkable performance, especially considering the North Melbourne star played only 1 per cent of his total game time in attack.

Although it was a special feat unlikely to be repeated by a full-time ruckman again this season, if the early rounds are a guide we can expect to see ruckmen kicking more goals, more often.

But go back to the pre-season commentary and you'll see things weren’t supposed to happen this way.

The popular pre-season narrative when the cap on interchange rotations was slashed from 120 to 90 was that the League's big men would have to spend more time resting forward to get a breather.

Even the players themselves believed it.

...

However, stats reveal a different trend three rounds into the season.

Rather than resting forward, ruckmen are actually spending more time on the bench and more game-time in their primary roles – as ruckmen.

Across the competition, the League's big men have played 81 per cent of their game time in the middle, a 5 per cent boost from last season.

And it seems Goldstein – who plays almost exclusively in the ruck – has been ahead of the curve, with his peers playing catch-up.

Kreuzer is born for that role; why the hell are we persisting with Phillips?

Kreuzer isnt fit. Kreuzer can not mark in the forward line

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:33 am

Read the stats Jezz: rucks are drifting forward and taking largely uncontested marks. That's Kreuzer's bread and butter.

Also, Kreuzer was fit last year, averaging about 80% game time after a long lay-off, and impacting contests. Do you think something changed over the off-season, or do you think having to split his game time 50/50 with Phillips through the pre-season and regular season has affected his form?

Stefchook · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:36 am **Posts:** 8166

So why isn't Kreuzer doing it now then? If he's spending less time in midfield (because he's sharing it with Phillips), he should have more energy to drift forward and take marks and kick goals when in midfield.

I can only think of 4 possible explanations:
He's not in good form.
He's not fit enough.
He's been instructed to play differently (perhaps a kick behind play).
He can't take a mark to save his life.

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

Definitely 4, should be fit enough....Other 2 have no idea about

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:52 pm

Stefchook wrote:

So why isn't Kreuzer doing it now then? If he's spending less time in midfield (because he's sharing it with Phillips), he should have more energy to drift forward and take marks and kick goals when in midfield.

I can only think of 4 possible explanations:
He's not in good form.
He's not fit enough.
He's been instructed to play differently (perhaps a kick behind play).
He can't take a mark to save his life.

I don't think he's spending more than 10% of game time up forward right now

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:28 pm

Stefchook wrote:

So why isn't Kreuzer doing it now then? If he's spending less time in midfield (because he's sharing it with Phillips), he should have more energy to drift forward and take marks and kick goals when in midfield.

I can only think of 4 possible explanations:
He's not in good form.
He's not fit enough.
He's been instructed to play differently (perhaps a kick behind play).
He can't take a mark to save his life.

In theory Should be better with Phillips to help but basically all ruckmen are better when their the main man not doing it 50-50

Kreuze has always been the same

Effes · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:00 pm

jimmae wrote:

Stefchook wrote:

So why isn't Kreuzer doing it now then? If he's spending less time in midfield (because he's sharing it with Phillips), he should have more energy to drift forward and take marks and kick goals when in midfield.

I can only think of 4 possible explanations:
He's not in good form.
He's not fit enough.
He's been instructed to play differently (perhaps a kick behind play).
He can't take a mark to save his life.

I don't think he's spending more than 10% of game time up forward right now

So far this season he's spent 36% of his time on ground up forward.

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