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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:07 pm 
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You've witnessed an improvement Jim? After two losses and the first two games of a new season no coach etc?
Need to wait till round 12 to be sure though! Or are you calling this one early?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:35 pm 
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It's going about as well as anyone could hope for, save for pinching a win against Richmond.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:15 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
It's going about as well as anyone could hope for, save for pinching a win against Richmond.


We've been in rebuild mode and "3 years away from success" for 15 years. Every year brings false hope, nothing will change and no one will believe until we are consistently winning....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:29 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
jimmae wrote:
It's going about as well as anyone could hope for, save for pinching a win against Richmond.


We've been in rebuild mode and "3 years away from success" for 15 years. Every year brings false hope, nothing will change and no one will believe until we are consistently winning....


thats the best contribution on TC ever

we have been rebuilding since 2003...

collo said it
smorgon said it
sticks said it
the judge said it

as surrey pointed out elsewhere if we get the build wrong its curtains for Carlton.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:35 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
just returned:

as I said last week - its all about out with the old in with the new

jamison
simpson
white
rowe
everitt
gibbs - he is trade bait material - if get a 1st round for him do it sos
thomas
kruzer

all need to be exited out asap - these guys wont get better and wont be with a premiership

still undecided about Broekhurst and Graham

happy with charlie , but rest him regularly
JW - superb - when everyone was losing their heads in the 3rd, JW has time and space marks in defence pauses then lace out foot pass.
i just pray that we dont burn these young kids

swans have a well driven team , superb list and a midfield

endeavour was there but no basic skills that lets us down - so what this means is we need to migrate players out and draft in new talent as fast as possible with a new development program driven and funded by the board...


Don't burn out the kids, but get rid of all the senior players ASAP? How does that work?

I agree that our seniors are way below par and won't be part of the next great Carlton side (I'm being crazy optimistic here and reckoning there will be one in my lifetime, even though the same 3 or 4 clubs have dominated the AFL for a decade now). But you can't just ditch them all at once and expect a squad with no experience to come good all on it's own; you need some old heads to turn potential into results. GWS have realised this, and we need to not forget it.


good point. this is the essence of one of our problems
We need some hard bodies experienced players to take the load for the young kids
i fear our present situations is that our senior players are not leaders and our kids get hurt
then if we replace the old leaders with moderate aged recruits to protect the kids we are back to square 1 doing a patch up of the list rather than a rebuild
thats why I mentioned elsewhere securing a 24yr old true A grade defender to help JW
we are in a seriously bad position - either way...too young we are gone ..patch up with mid aged recruits we are gone


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:02 pm 
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It's not about the playing group
If it is.

Were just the unluckiest entity in the history of the world

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:24 pm 
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Didn't see the game, but the comments are fairly predictable.

I wouldn't be judging Bolts and SOS just yet.

Let's see if we can keep getting improvement out of Curnow, ease Cunningham into the action. and manage to get Plowman and Sumner on the park... we might start to see a bit of spark.

I would like to see KJ earn a game very soon.
He will be a big frustration to SOS and Bolts if he cannot find his place.

Other than that there aren't a whole bunch of instant answer available to us - particularly given McKay's injury.
Just hang in there against the good teams, and have a red hot go against the fragile teams.

How we perform against Gold Coast will more interesting


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:30 pm 
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Didn't see the game, but the comments are fairly predictable.

I wouldn't be judging Bolts and SOS just yet.

Let's see if we can keep getting improvement out of Curnow, ease Cunningham into the action. and manage to get Plowman and Sumner on the park... we might start to see a bit of spark.

I would like to see KJ earn a game very soon.
He will be a big frustration to SOS and Bolts if he cannot find his place.

Other than that there aren't a whole bunch of instant answer available to us - particularly given McKay's injury.
Just hang in there against the good teams, and have a red hot go against the fragile teams.

How we perform against Gold Coast will more interesting


Think we might go ok.

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If I were a first year player and got lectured on effort and consistency by some of our senior players I'd think the club is a joke.


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Rexy wrote:
If I were a first year player and got lectured on effort and consistency by some of our senior players I'd think the club is a joke.


another good post

why did hendo, betts , waite, laidler, garlett...do better and develop at other clubs?

A.. because we have untouchables


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:02 pm 
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nothing like a Monday after a loss for a good old fashioned rewriting of history.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:04 pm 
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Haha Henderson....ur trippin

Betts was always good, except in big games ditto Garlett.

Malthouse refused to play Laidler, mind boggling, but he did that at Carlton under Ratts.

Waite is on the park....enough said

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:33 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Let's wait until we see what sumner and Plowman are like before we get hysterical after 2 Games
Thought Phillips had a shocker but was ok last week and lamb without being brilliant was serviceable in both games
Both need more time to settle in a new team in any case
Let's see at the end of the year where we are in the trade and even then it may be probably is too early to tell

Not that I would do it yet but do you think we are in front with Kerridge trade and for that matter is Richmond in front with Yarran trade
Way too early to call any of last years trades


Out of the 4 players we got from GWS for one draft pick, if just 1 or 2 turn out to be very good we've won. Plowman and Sumner was something very positive to come out of the Northern Blues game on the weekend.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:09 pm 
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We got beaten in the ruck, or seemed to have.
We got beaten on the inside and outside.
Supply was iffy for the forwards. Jones and Gorringe aren't going to fix that.

Cripps needs support.
Murphy shoulder is not match hardened.
Gibbs has got to show some mongrel.
Kreuzer has to jump at the ball not worry about the opponent and then just crash into the other ruck.
He aint going to last long doing that, but we have to win some in the ruck.

I think Wright and Kerridge have stood up.
Lamb is a bit of jack in a box, but not much impact linking up.

We will get better in the midfield.
Just need a bit of c&!#*.

Boys do look like they're looking for a fight.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:13 pm 
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All that may be true but what we really need is some fast, skilled and hard one touch mids.

We're one paced and fumbly.

Two would be awesome.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:15 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
jimmae wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Culture at Carlton needs addressing, Brenden Bolton knows that but he's getting no help from our Board, most of whom have been in-situ for far too long.

Haven't we replaced half the staff in the building since about this time last year?

Ah yes but the board replaces the staff to fix the problem and that doesn't fix the problem.
Want to know why the board can't fix the problem when though they have replaced everybody three times over?


That's because the board IS THE problem!

Who would have thought eh? Lol

Simple case of process of elimination really

Have we been told when the 66 games begin exactly and exactly what's expected after we hit 66 games?
This is like listening a clairvoyant




Speaking of bored.....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:30 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
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Glad to see everyone's coming around re: Phillips and Lamb.

I've got more time for Lamb than I do for Phillips though, just not right now because he's a high half-forward type and we have developing players who will do more for us there until they're ready for other roles (C.Curnow, Boekhorst, Buckley).

Byrne must feel like Buckley did this time last year.


There's a reason GWS were anxious to do the trade with us... they had players who were contracted, weren't wanted, and were never going to play again for the GWS (at least 3 out of the 4)!

A salary dump, we took the contracts they didn't want (and couldn't otherwise get rid of), and provided the roster spots they desperately needed... and we obliged like idiots, and saved their bacon!

GWS killed that trade!!

And we still didn't pickup the player we really wanted!

Amateur hour!!

I've always seen Phillips and Lamb as the weaker components of that trade, and if we had our pick of their ruck depth I wanted Lobb, but accepted that on the aggregate, the 4 were worth pick 28 and us getting pick 8 at the draft for a future draft pick that was likely to be slightly less in value the following year.

A fit Sumner and Plowman are worth a lot more than 28.


Firstly, I hope the 4 players get fit, and play many, many good games for Carlton, however, you've missed the point...

Apart from possibly Plowman, they weren't going to play for GWS again.... they were surplus to requirements for GWS; if they weren't contracted they would have been delisted (if they weren't traded)!

GWS have better, younger, cheaper players they preferred... and they needed the roster spots for their academy players, and mature age replacements.

Why wasn't any other club interested in these players?

How do you think GWS were able to bring in Stevie J? Hopper, Kennedy etc? This trade was critical for GWS!!

We could have, and should have, driven a much better deal (i.e including Tomlinson)!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:28 pm 
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Posters claiming it would've been a 100 point loss last year.......umm it was a 60 point loss in Sydney for John Barkers first game as coach :wink:

And as for our young team yesterday.....bollocks .....only 4 were aged 21 or younger.

Longmire says he doesn't look at birth certificates when selecting teams, l suppose we may not either.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:30 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
All that may be true but what we really need is some fast, skilled and hard one touch mids.

We're one paced and fumbly.

Two would be awesome.


two paced and fumbly?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:37 pm 
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doofdoof wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
All that may be true but what we really need is some fast, skilled and hard one touch mids.

We're one paced and fumbly.

Two would be awesome.


two paced and fumbly?


:lol:

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